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The Coaches Voice - Lee Johnson

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  1. wizered

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    Lee Johnson
    Bristol City, 2016–2020; Sunderland, 2020–

    Bristol City had become an important part of my life in my playing days.

    I played there for six years between 2006 and 2012, and had some success there. In my first season we won promotion from League One into the Championship, and then a year later we just missed out on promotion to the Premier League when we lost to Hull in the playoff final.

    I built up a strong relationship with so many people there: the fans, the coaches, all the staff.

    That was the beauty of Bristol City – they stick by people. And lots of the people who I got to know when I was playing there have stayed for a long time – they were still there when I got the opportunity to go back.

    My mum, my dad and my nan were all still in the area, and my daughter had been born there, so I knew my family situation would be good in Bristol. It’s a great part of the world.

    When I agreed to take the job, the team was in the relegation zone in the Championship, having been promoted in the 2014/15 season. The first job was to get them out of there.

    There was a quick-win mentality. Short-term thinking. There was just a short period of time to get through without worrying about anything other than the results.

    “We decided to place more focus on developing young players while striving for success in the Championship”

    I was told: “Do what you believe is right to get wins on the board – and fast.”

    We had a good squad at the time. There was definitely quality in the group, and I wanted to help the individuals and the team realise their potential. The club had a lot of loans, which brings challenges as you move towards the end of a season.

    Fortunately, we got the wins we needed, and we were able to steer the club clear of relegation.

    After we had secured survival at the end of the season, and the loan players had returned to their parent clubs, we decided to place more focus on developing and nurturing good young players – some of whom we purchased – while also striving for progression and success in the Championship.

    The key stakeholders at the club wanted a younger profile of player coming through the door. They accepted that there would be difficulties with doing so.

    A lot of the players who we signed weren’t accustomed to playing in the Championship. They were either young players or overseas players without experience in England. It became a real up-and-down journey, but I truly believed in the players’ potential.

    “Bobby Reid had only ever played as an attacking midfielder or a deep-lying midfielder. I told him he could be a number nine”

    In the 2016 summer window, we signed the likes of Callum O’Dowda from Oxford, Josh Brownhill from Preston, Tammy Abraham (above) on loan from Chelsea and Hordur Magnusson from Juventus B. There was little Championship experience there, but they all proved their worth for us and have all since gone on to play at a high level.

    We started the season very well, but then we went on a bad run.

    It was a real test for us, and we learned important lessons. From a coach’s point of view, it really is key that you stick to your values and believe in the principles of play you have been promoting. This saw us through in the end and we secured survival and a higher-placed finish than a year earlier with a great win at Brighton in the penultimate game of the season.

    It also became clear how important it was to show belief in the individual players.

    When you have young players playing in the Championship, in new – and big – stadiums, with new ideas from their coach, the pressures of performing, settling into the culture of the club, dealing with social media’s fickle nature, it is a challenge to try and maintain consistency.

    Thriving at the end of the season was really important, because we gained a lot of experience together. That helped us a lot, because the following season we had a very good year filled with positive experiences.

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    One factor for this success was that, over the summer of 2017, I made a big decision in changing Bobby Reid’s position.

    “We ticked every box at Championship level”

    He had only ever played as an attacking midfielder or a deep-lying midfielder throughout his academy days.

    I sat him down and explained that I believed he could be a number nine. It clearly came as a real shock to him.

    I promised him every game in pre-season up front to try things out.

    There was a bit of design on our part, because we chose to play teams at a lower level than us to build his confidence. Even so, the way he took to his new position was brilliant. He performed extremely well and scored 10 goals in pre-season.

    The main thing he changed for us was that he gave us the ability to press from the front and play with a high line.

    We had some new players to add to the group who had the experience of the previous season and, with Bobby (above) up front, we could really bed in to playing with this new philosophy. He also worked really well with Famara Diédhiou, who we signed in the summer from Angers in France – the same club we had signed Jonathan Kodjia from, who we ended up selling to Aston Villa for £15m.

    I felt that 2017/18 season was our best shot at promotion in my tenure.

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    “We beat four Premier League teams along the way: Watford, Stoke, Crystal Palace and José Mourinho’s Manchester United”

    We ticked every box at Championship level. We were quick, we were exciting, and we had players who were a threat at set-pieces. With everybody fit, I had good options to choose from.

    We made a really strong start to the season. Bobby was scoring goals and playing really well, and the system worked too.

    We went on a great run, winning eight and losing only one of 11 league games up to Boxing Day, leaving us second in the table. We were around the top after 23, 24 games. We really started to believe.

    At the same time, we also had a League Cup run and really showed our Premier League quality by making the semi finals. We beat four top-flight teams along the way: Watford, Stoke, Crystal Palace and José Mourinho’s Manchester United.

    They all played strong teams, too. In the United game, Anthony Martial, Paul Pogba, Marcus Rashford, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Daley Blind were all starters. But Korey Smith popped up with a 93rd-minute winner (above). That is the game that will stay in the memory for many Bristol City fans for a long time – it secured Korey legendary status with them, too.

    We drew Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City (below) in the semi finals. We performed really well and took 8,000 Bristol City fans to the Etihad, but two legs against that team was a step too far for us. It was a great experience for the players and the club, though – and for me too.

    “Unfortunately, injuries got the better of us that year, but it was probably the best football we played during my tenure”

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    And that was about the time our league form started to suffer.

    Some of my mentors had suggested this cup run could be a problem in the pursuit of our goal of promotion. They were right, as we ended up with nine operations through contact injuries and fell away in the league.

    Every coach has to think about and live with the decisions over the intensity of their training, the speed of their press in matches. The quicker it is, the faster it is, the more potential there is for injury.

    Unfortunately, injuries got the better of us that year. We missed out on promotion and finished the season 11th – but, at the same time, it was probably the best football we played during my tenure.

    Inevitably, that team was broken up through big sales. Bobby Reid, Joe Bryan, Lloyd Kelly, Josh Brownhill, Hordur Magnusson, Marlon Pack all end up going for big money. We signed Adam Webster the year after; he was a top player for us, and a top lad, but he moved on to Brighton for £20m-plus after one full season. Aden Flint was huge for us, too. He scored 38 goals in five years with us from centre-back, before Middlesbrough came in for him and he was sold.

    So, we were forced to constantly find a way to evolve and improve the team. We were given funds to invest in the talents of Tomas Kalas, Kasey Palmer, Han-Noah Massengo and Jay DaSilva in our efforts to reinvent the team, which was a challenge I enjoyed. But during this spell, I do think we slightly overtraded.

    Even though we didn’t manage to achieve our ultimate goal – promotion – I was very proud of the staff and the players, and the effort they put in throughout my time at Bristol City. I believe that, due to our collective hard work, my time at City was a success.

    I mean that both financially, in terms of infrastructure, but also in terms of the young players coming through. Mark Ashton, a fantastic CEO who I had a very strong relationship with, was a pleasure to work with.

    One of the successes, for example, was that we had about 15 or 20 back-up players who still retained their value thanks to a lot of good work by the academy staff. The likes of Brian Tinnion, who we brought across from the academy offices to be head of player development and loan liaison, became an important part of the club. It is a business now – effectively, young players can provide an income for the club moving forward, and certainly keep the academy running for many years to come.

    I was so proud to spend such a long time at City. By the time I was sacked in July 2020, I was the longest-serving manager in the Championship.

    I think longevity is really important. Communication is key throughout the club. You have to work as a collective.

    When it becomes a collective effort of everybody, absolutely everybody at the football club, from the fans all the way through to the kit ladies who work so hard – when everyone comes together like that, it’s a beautiful thing.

    It was my job to get everyone pulling in the same direction. To inspire the community to get behind the team, and make sure that everyone comes to work in a great environment. I think we managed to do that.

    It was a fantastic period in my life, and a great learning experience as well. As a result, Sunderland – my next employer – has a more experienced, more streamlined and increased-capacity version of me.

    https://www.coachesvoice.com/lee-johnson-bristol-city-sunderland/
     
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  2. wizered

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    A nice bit of a chat on a Monday morning..<laugh>

    Hi Rp, some nice pic's of LJ to welcome your thoughts and warm the hearts of the LJ followers. :emoticon-0126-nerd:

    You have a more experienced, more streamlined and increased-capacity version of LJ to discuss, his words :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    It really is key that you stick to your values and believe in the principles of play you have been promoting.

    I would defy anybody to explain what Mr Johnsons principles of play were.
     
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    Well I could see what his principle of play was, during his first couple of years, but as said numerous times, the key players he had to build with were either injured or sold off..
    After that, the club were not able to supply backup for the injuries or like for like quality for those sold.
    As with the players, I'm not sure we have replaced LJ for the better...but time will tell and I hope I'm wrong..
    I Will leave it there for the wafflers to enjoy themselves with the usual BS.:emoticon-0103-cool:. but IMO he's still learning and will be seen as a decent coach. :emoticon-0148-yes:

    NB. Reid's change of fortune was down to LJ's vision......nothing forced about that!! <doh>
     
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    Months. That is not a principle.
     
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    NB. My recollection is we had striker injuries pre season and LJ was forced to play him up top, something that quite a few fans had suggested during the season before, especially on one particular forum.
     
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    Mainly those that never gave LJ any credit, for anything!!!
     
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    Do you have a book " stock phrases I need to use" probably based on the book a 1001 uses for WD40!
    Evolution, probably 1 of the strongest words to use for any thing... including football coaching. One should not get mixed up with the word "principles" as a hard fast attribute to any one entity. LJ was in spirit of Darwin, evolving, every person on this planet evolves whether from childhood …. adolescents or older age. Add this to the matrix which is football and you find nothing is easy..
    LEE JOHNSONS reign was a evolution of the football club … in many aspects [ don't just read the article once read a couple more times ] the truth is in there … under the circumstances the club did well. Lee did well, and from a sense of wellbeing us fans did well. ……………….
    It really is key that you stick to your values and believe in the principles of play you have been promoting. … well the previous manager tried that and it didn't work … why because he stuck to the value of his principle ...3-5-2 he did not evolve. Lee tried to combat failures and that would/did give spikes of success or failure … lifes like that … at a very early age like under 5 my grandfather explained principles [ that's why he went to war WW1 ] but the provisio was knowing that sometimes your principle was wrong, to admit it and seek to resolve it ….
     
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    Good luck to him I say. I see he's turned Sunderland around.
    Whether you like him or loathe him, I certainly believe that he loves Bristol City. We'll be talking about him for years to come - his legacy will live on in Bristol City chatrooms everywhere <laugh><laugh>
     
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    bit early to define that .. HE HAS MANGED A COUPLE OF RESULTS! …. a run of 4 or 5 wins or maybe 5 wins 3 draws and 2 losses would be a good sign!
    Imagine Sunderland gain promotion this season , and in 22/23 they are in the prem!!!! ………..
     
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    I believe many on here have either received or vowed to have the vaccine that's available..I've kindly asked the NHS if it was possible to include an added ingredient known as "common sense". When I said who it was for, they replied, "the dose normally given would have no effect".........A pump has been ordered!! <laugh>

    Wiz.....how to mix it up a bit!! :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    If that happens under LJ then it would prove to me that our failure to make the Prem is firmly down to the governing board setup at Ashton Gate and very little to do with the manager.
    However, it's a big ask of ANY manager, not just LJ to get back to back promotions. Unlikely to happen. Besides, Sunderland's management setup is similar to ours, so he's likely to be experiencing the same restrictions with decisions being taken for him by a Chief Operating Officer there that he did with us.
     
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    Not a prob mate, LJ suffered the same dillema with his 63 signings.:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    Or conversely those who give him credit for everything, including this being hailed as a masterstroke but in fact was dictated by circumstances.
     
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    I may regret this as your posts go to worlds and places I will never know but yes I have lots of books. In the FA coaching context Lee Johnson uses the words playing principles it does mean principles in the literal sense. Again in the coaching context Lee Johnson frequently used the word identity its literal. Identity is under pinned by principles and sub principles. Yes these are literal coaching stock phrases.

    Sorry after entity your post went to those other worlds ..
     
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    Sounds like he was up against it with what we've recently heard coming from Ashton Gate (Ashton & co) So works both ways..Criticism unjust by circumstances!!
     
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    a simple answer like yes or no would suffice …. do you have that specific book? not really interested in whether you have lots of books, I have well over 200 mostly earth science based [ including world wide exploration auto/biography /reference books including 2 reference books I have written ]
    to be quite honest never heard of identity being underpinned by principles or sub principles .. as stock phrases / literal coaching stock phrases… even having trouble looking for them!
     
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    I would say that recent revelations are not in anyway a shock or surprise, if LJ didn't realise exactly what he was walking into after a long professional football career of himself and senior, then he is definitely in the wrong job. I am damn sure every single one of the fanbase was under no illusions what he was up against.

    However sometimes in life you need to say "enough is enough, either things change or i'm off" or you cannot bitch about it at a later stage, because you accepted your lot and worst of all towed the company line by not keeping the fans involved and when you keep doing that season after season and the same excuses/phrases are trotted you are perceived as part of the problem, ultimately Uncle Steve are safe Little Jon because they own the circus and it would appear that Mark Ashton is the ring master and his ring is ring fenced as well.

    I know all of this easier said than done because of the money involved but sometimes, you have to trust your talent, otherwise it might compromise your reputation.
     
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    Your initial question mentioned WD40!

    To have a identity a football team must have principles to keep the identity in place. Barcelona had an identity, a commitment to approaching football in a non negotiable manner. A principle was possession. Its then has sub principles like constant support and relational distances. The players change, the sub principles can alter but the principle of maintaining possession does not. Liverpool principle pressing. A principle of all Klopps teams. A humbler level Leeds. Identity high tempo and pressing. Identities and principles there are long terms. Mr Johnsons principles? Tough to define what defined his football in its long term v short.
     
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    I can't disagree with this.
    One thing puzzles me though; in his statement above, LJ refers fondly back to the time of that League-cup run as 'ticking every championship box', plus other glowing references. so he must have recognised himself that this was the right way to play. Why therefore did he not strive to make it continue?
    I understand that losing key players can knock a team sideways, but we didn't seem to make any attempt to recover to that style of play, which is strange when the main man of that time himself harps back to it.
    It's as if he knew when his team played the best, most attractive and successful football, but decided, for reasons unknown, to deliberately steer away from that and set out to play a defensive, cautious game, lumping long balls to Diedhiou (which he can't control) in the hope that we scored on the break or from a set piece.
    It makes no sense to me.
     
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