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Match Day Thread Bristol City v Preston

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Jan 16, 2021.

  1. Jiffie

    Jiffie Well-Known Member

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    The question should be, we can and should replace him with better.
     
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    Law of averages I suppose all the best hopefully see you within the next year or so
     
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  3. Red Robin

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    Good win against a underperforming Preston side.Expected more from them.
    Expected a loss so three points is a bonus today.
    Norwich next let’s see how we go against them.
     
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    a good showing today 2 weeks to get Fammy on board ….goes for nothing will cost £7+ million to replace? goes for £4m cost over £4m more to replace pay him an extra £400k a year 3 year contract or 2.5 from now!
     
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  5. Redprintt

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    Mawson and Kalas were awesome.
    Fans looking to big up Palmer but from what I've seen he looks like a £20k a week show pony. Will be interesting how he 'shows' against Norwich.
    Not about yesterday but what's happened to Bakinson, pre Covid he seemed decent but since looks a tired old lump.
     
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  6. Jiffie

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    2 things here the 20k wage packet 'if true' is the fault of the tossers who authorised it not the player, if that is what he asked for and they authorised it then that is more evidence of how dysfunctional our transfer policy actually is.

    Yesterday for 30 minutes he was bordering on the unplayable and then Preston doubled up and occasionally he found 3 or 4 around him, in a team that had a fully functioning midfield that would leave huge great holes in the Preston ready to be exploited. For that first 30 minutes we had more action in and around the box than since the QPR away game and that includes the Portsmouth cup match, do I think that he is going to solve our midfield failings?, probably not but creativity wise he is better than anything else that we have available and unlike Paterson he can actually tackle, he will also win us dangerous free kicks in and around the opponents box, if only we actually had a reliable free taker in our squad and not one that manages to keep the ball in the stadium in one out 6 attempts.

    Your point about Bakinson and covid is a fair one and that goes for Palmer as well, I honestly thought that Holden was at least 10 minutes late replacing Palmer and that could have proved a serious mistake.
     
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  7. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Funny how we see things differently...Bakinson has really never done it for me as Palmers never done it for you.
    Palmer IMO has far more control with the ball and again IMO his touch is chalk and cheese. Not saying Bakinson can't do a job, but as Palmer, needs working on.
    Palmer is a free role player, shouldn't rely on him for anything other than to create and frustrate the opposition..

    I agree thought Mawson & Kalas had a decent game as did Fammy
     
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  8. RedorDead

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    I was impressed with Vyner in midfield. That is a sentence I would not of expected to make before September.
    As a player he has come on a lot this season. And with Mawson fit and Baker not far from it then midfield may be the best place to play Vyner in front of those three.
     
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  9. Jiffie

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    Several things Bristol City are historically famous for:-

    Rarely playing to the strengths of strikers, Trundle, Wells and Diedhiou are just a few of more modern examples, there are many others.

    Never building a team around the more talented players, modern examples are Tomlin who whilst on loan tore it up for us, once signed permanently we just never had a midfield capable of allowing him freedom to express himself, pretty much the same for Paterson who for in that brief period of 2017 was terrorising defences not only in the championship but also premiership defences in the Carabao cup and now Palmer who again during his loan spell with us and the beginning of last season was a right handful and creating chances. I remember back in 1965 after winning promotion back to the 2nd division, Harry Dolman famously told Fred Ford (our manager) to sign Mike Summerbee and Ernie Hunt from Swindon both were 22 years old and incredibly talented, he more or less gave him an open cheque book, both were needed to supply our potent strike force of Atyeo and Brian Clark in a higher division, Ford didn't like spending money and didn't act and they went to Man City and Wolves respectively.

    Signing older players looking for their final pay cheques Gary Oneil comes to mind.

    Signing sick notes Billy Mercer and Nathan Baker and others.
     
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  10. Jiffie

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    Bakinson is a kid and is a huge talent, his skill is breaking up play and then he should be able to give it to players who can create, sadly we don't got none of them, he also ensures that when protecting the defence he can head balls clear, balls that would normally clear midfielders of less stature (like what we do got). I predict we will do well to hold on to him.

    Fammy was great first half, as good as i've ever seen him but totally and utterly anonymous during the 2nd half and was rightly subbed and that is the frustration of him in a nutshell.
     
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  11. Redprintt

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    I don't think Palmer was unplayable, however he is better creatively than what we have. That isn't difficult.
    If he's the player we're looking for he would have played regularly at Swansea, or signed by Huddersfield, Derby and Blackburn after loans there.
    These clubs seem to be of the same opinion about Palmer.
    However I'm happy to be proved wrong.

    I like how Bakinson tries to play forward but he seems to have lost a yard and looks pedestrian since Covid.
     
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  12. Jiffie

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    Vyner has experience in midfield, it is no surprise to me, the surprise is how he has become so accomplished in such a short space of time, even cutting out his silly mistakes and occasionally losing concentration, he is another we will do well too hold on to.

    I have to say fair play to everybody at the academy for sticking with Zac always having faith that he was going to be the next Lloyd Kelly (just took longer to mature). The same can probably be said about Jay DaSilva (when fully fit) and maybe even Cameron Pring whom I believe the academy felt would be more than a long term replacement for Joe Bryan.
     
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  13. Jiffie

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    Well as I say Alex Neil obviously didn't see it that way because it was apparent he had seen enough after 30 minutes and decided to crowd him out, something an organised midfield would have capitalised on.
     
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  14. oneforthebristolcity

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    Yeah, I have always liked Vyner,
    Not the first time of saying it and was the case with LJ in charge.....just a few players short of being a decent side....
    Those few players need to be of quality and not what we usually do, going just like for like..
     
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  15. Redprintt

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    So do you have a theory why Pros haven't signed him.
     
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    Strange question, do you have a theory why pros never signed Kalas or DaSilva?.

    As far as i'm aware he wasn't for sale until we (whoever that might have been at the club) signed him, Lampard unlike with Kalas and DaSilva gave him a pre season chance with Chelsea.

    Why didn't pros sign Massengo?, ODowda?, Paterson?, Diedhiou?
     
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    Kalas is just short of Premiership. 'as I remember' Fulham were promoted and decided against signing him for the Premiership.
    Da Silva is a good going forward but over rated defender.
    That's my theory.

    What's yours on Palmer?
     
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    And why is it a strange question?
    You mentioned Neil. I mentioned other Pros.
     
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  19. Redprintt

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    ....... Engvall. Djuric, the list is endless.
    They're not good enough.
     
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  20. Jiffie

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    I think you are wrong, Chelsea did not want to sell Kalas at the time of Fulham's promotion.

    DaSilva when fit is an all round very good left full/wing back which is why unlike Joe Bryan for instance he has remained in England youth set up from under 16's to the present day at under 21 level, I am assuming there are pros at all of those levels that keep picking him ahead of premiership talent now at 63 games and counting, but what do they know?

    I told you my theory about Palmer he wasn't for sale until Lampard said he could leave and we were in prime position, because 2 of his mates had moved here and he had been here on loan, it's not his fault or mine that LJ didn't seem to want him but somebody obviously did.

    It is an incredibly strange question you are asking me to enter the psyche of other pros (whoever they are) I mentioned Neil because if you were watching the same game as me Preston after around 30 minutes doubled up (and sometimes more) on him, so either it was a freak accident, it was decided by the players or more likely Alex Neil who is the Preston manager/head coach decided upon that action.

    As I said do you have theories about why pros never signed Massengo?, ODowda?, Paterson? or Diedhiou? or even Williams? (despite huge interest in him from bigger clubs including newly promoted clubs).
     
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