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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (New Years Eve)

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Dec 31, 2020.

  1. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    Spot on. She should apologise and lets be fair, the club should not be held to account for the abuse that our supporters gave her, as vicious as some of those comments were. I don't bother with Twitter, well I've an account, but rarely use it. It's seems that you can slag a club off, but woe behold you react with an opposing opinion. <ok>
     
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  2. Irishshako

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    I think Doc means that in todays climate of equality and all this PC, Woke bollocks that there have to be a number of female or black presenters employed regardless of their talent and maybe there were better qualified males out there. Now apologies for answering for Doc and maybe he will answer you. But he's entitled to his opinion as are you, but in no way do I think that he was dismissing females. But this is what does annoy me Hemase, it's that women want to be treated equally as men, but revert back to I'm a women so don't say anything harsh to me, when they get criticised.<ok>
     
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  3. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    <applause>
     
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  4. hemase

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    I made a long post on yesterdays debate about the lack of quality pundits/ commentators because of the saturation on tv and the need to tick boxes so won't go over that again.


    This whole problem has come about because of tell small minority groups.

    The club itself has done nothing wrong. It has called out a pundit who has made a stupid comment which actually belittles the clubs achievements.

    This is no different to any number of times we have done this before.
    The problem here is that because this is a female pundit two things happened.

    1- small minded idiots who, while rightly disagreeing with her, choose to abuse her. Now if they had called her stupid or out of her depth then this may not be a thing. But inevitability a small section of fans had to include sexist and misogynistic abuse.

    2- because of the above the super woke offended groups jumped on the bandwagon and now once again the club and all who support it are the scum of the earth.



    I am pleased to see that 99% of leeds twitter fans have reacted to this the right way and debated why the comment was wrong on the right way. The same 99% have then also handled the response to the clubs tweet very well.

    As with most things it is the 1% who will cause this to rumble on and make us look bad.
     
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  5. Irishshako

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    Fair comments Hemese and you are spot on. But I will say that you don't have to be a women on Twitter to get abuse from some Whites fans, they turn on their own as well.<yikes>
     
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  6. Doc

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    What the hell are you on about? The facts are this
    1. Shes crap as a pundit
    2. Shes only there to tick boxes either on gender or colour
    3. I wouldnt pay to watch a womens football match because in my opunion its not real football
    4. There are really only 2 female soccer pundits who talk sense, and this one isnt one of them
    5. Im not on twitter and never pile on to anyone but you infer I did and because shes female. You are miles away mate.
    6. He media pile on to our club is all because shes a woman so therefore a VICTIM. Agbolahor, Adrian Durham and Paul Merson were also rebuked by Radz and the club but no demands for aplogies because they are men
     
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  7. Irishshako

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    And there I was trying to act as peace maker<laugh>
     
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  8. hemase

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    See these points are valid and can be well argued.

    My concern is you had to finish your argument with the phrase "stealing a job from a man"

    Can you not see how misogynistic that is? Comment on her stupid comments. Debate whether she is good enough for the role. Argue that she only got the job because of box ticking, no problem there.

    But by adding the sexist comment like that your are part of the problem
     
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  9. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo is Shit

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    On the Carney issue. I've never seen her as a pundit and don't really listen to pundits in general. My ears pricked up when she said that though and immediately thought that it was a lazy comment. No different to many others though. I let it wash over me but I thought the clubs tweet was actually fair play. That's the kind of response it deserves. It's no coincidence that many people who know the ins and outs of last season jumped on the misinformed comment and rightly so. It's not about colour or gender more about stupidity. I don't think she has complained has she? She probably realises that you will get a response as a pundit. Agbonlahor has loved winding Leeds up this season. Neville has a few friendly digs every now and again. It's fine. Its football.

    As for the red kit?

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    It's nothing new.
     
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  10. Doc

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    Being woke must really hurt you?
    My throw away comment reflects my view of box ticking culture of our media not sexist you knobber. I am sick of watching BBC football shows especially the one Saturday afternoon reporting from every match in the leagues. Over half of the reporters are women and I have no respect for womens football so have no respect for the reporters/pundits as they see a different game. Im sick of having to have quotas if blacks, women, lesbians disabled etc forced onto my screen or airwaves. You like your little woke identitarian bubble, fine but not for me
     
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  11. Irishshako

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    Even the UN can't save you now <laugh>
     
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  12. hemase

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    It really isn't about being woke. I am not a woke lefty by any means.

    So because you don't like womens football women can't be good pundits? What an amazing take?

    There, including from myself, have been numerous posts about the reasons why the level of punditry is poor at the moment.

    Try reading those and understanding the greater story rather than just deciding "i don't like women. "

    Its 2021 almost, you don't have to be woke to know sexism is bad
     
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  13. Irishshako

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    I'd just like to add, that sexism no longer belongs just to a male only domain. :grin:
     
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    new poster here, i don't think that the guy doesn't like women for the sake of it...but to be frank what he is saying about the box ticking world we unfortunately now reside in is correct everyone is offended about everything these days its a wonder people manage to get through a day without a breakdown over some playground spat, i'm afraid the fairer sex have made a rod for their own back in a lot of respects and regards women's football well you can put it alongside the tennis,rugby etc, they want equal pay and i'm afraid the standard is woeful...seriously woeful. anyway up the whites
     
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  15. Normanbitmyleg70

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    Similar I have a twitter account but don't get involved in the Twatosphere and agree the club should not be held accountable for comments of other people unless they actively encouraged people to comment which quite clearly radz didn't.
     
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  16. Irishshako

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    Spot on Norman.<ok> There were times when I wished the club had come out and stood up to the FA, EFL etc though.<ok>
     
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  17. FORZA LEEDS

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    Exactly Shaks, I remember when Phil Neville got the job as manager of England women, they were outraged that he got the job.

    Not because he wasn’t the best candidate for the job, but because he’s a man (well almost :emoticon-0136-giggl)
     
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    For the first time in a while I had the Saturday afternoon football on the BBC to find 2 women and 2 black men doing the work. I couldn't tell if they were good or bad because I didn't stop to listen.
    They may well have been the best there ever was but in the case of the BBC when I do the maths and ask myself that question I know the answer to it already.
    The current situation creates individuals like me who aren't racists, who aren't misogynists but we definitely aren't stupid either and we are not going to be used to vindicate ridiculous woke political posturing by any organisation or individual.
    In all cases of equality of outcome equality of opportunity is ALWAYS sacrificed.
     
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  19. Irishshako

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    <laugh> Philis Neville:grin:
     
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  20. hemase

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    My mind is being blown by the attitudes on here.

    You don't consider yourself racist or sexist but you turned the tv off because there was a black person and a woman on.

    Trying to disguise your poor attitudes as some sort of protest against wokeism is a poor show.
     
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