Coronavirus: Please use this thread for all COVID19 talk!

I get that someone might pop into see their neighbour when they shouldn't or stand too close to a person they meet in the street, but no one can possibly think it is okay to drive miles from a highly infectious area to go for an effing walk (presumably without stopping at any service station for a break).

 

You’re talking about the Brecon Beacons story? Not sure that’s quite what it seems tbh.

When you read the story, it appears there’s one person who travelled from Hertfordshire to climb a mountain, and a few dozen other vehicles mostly from within a 50 mile radius. Stupid, sure, but not the mass outbreak of idiocy the press are eager to portray.

 

I think the idea of staying local is open to interpretation too. People were talking about only travelling an hours drive away as being local - that gets me from Wiltshire through Somerset and into Devon if I put my foot down.

 

My cousin’s son in law is a volunteer at mountain rescue in the Lake District. They had to go up and rescue people the other day who’d driven up from Manchester for “a walk”. Absolutely feckin stupid - putting everyone at risk and now the volunteers are forced to isolate for 14 days - putting others at risk. I am absolutely furious ......

 

That happens all the time though, doesn't it? People deciding to climb Helvellyn in T-Shirt and trainers, and having to be rescued, I mean. Not really a Covid thing, some people are just idiots.

 

Somerset has gone from having one of the lowest infection rates in the country back in the summer to Tier 4 from tomorrow.

 

Our friends kids live in Southwark(staying closed) but their primary school is in Lambeth(staying open). Literally 2 mins walk away, work that out!

 

This is where it all kind of breaks down, as there is no practical way of closing the boundaries between counties or boroughs in different tiers.

 

All of London is in tier 4, but only 22 of the boroughs are keeping the the schools shut. With some sandwiched inbetween each other. Who ever signed that idea off needs one hefty slap, it's insane.

 

Just stupid.

To add to the bullshit over the schools, international travel is still going ahead. I am still seeing Instagram stories of people on holiday having fun. Meanwhile we are here under house arrest.

These half measures are clearly not working. It's like they want us to be locked down forever

 

Idiots, yes, but during a pandemic when you’re not supposed to travel and effectively taking out an entire Mountain Rescue team if volunteers for the next 2 weeks is criminally insane - they should be left up there to rot

 

Oh come on Dave, which of us hasn’t attempted to climb a mountain in a blizzard in a pandemic dressed only in our Speedos after a night out?



Seriously, though, there should definitely be severe sanctions for thoughtless twats like that.

 

Sums up the last 10 months to be fair.

 

Another thing I mentioned recently, was that the Pfizer vaccine could be given as one jab, with a follow up 12 weeks later.
This report indicates that this is a political decision and isn’t based on the clinical trials under which the Pfizer vaccine was passed as being effective.
One jab equals 52% safety with the second jab 21 days later, boosting this up to 91% cover.
Delaying the second jab by up to 12 weeks might negate the effectiveness of the desired effect achievable by following Pfizer’s directions.
Telling people, receiving a single dose that they are protected enough to end isolating, when trials indicate otherwise, would be criminal negligence, IMO.

Edit. There is no evidence to suggest that the vaccine remains effective after 21 days.

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/12/31/le...HauKnYONMc9AMYzjHZexN0MhnxIBtSSZYR3WQ5mwaUuBk

 

"The new regime was backed by the chief medical officers of the four UK nations, with instructions given to health service leaders in England by NHS bosses on Wednesday to postpone many of the scheduled second Pfizer/BioNTech jabs."

"The announcement caused controversy, however. Pfizer and BioNTech warned that two doses of their vaccine were required for maximum protection against Covid and that they did not have evidence that the first dose alone offered protection after three weeks."
From https://www.theguardian.com/society...octors-criticise-rescheduling-of-second-doses

 

All medication comes with instructions on dosage and method of administering it.
Those instructions etc are based on the findings of clinical research, so when the government suddenly decides to ignore the instructions given by Pfizer, I think everyone should be VERY concerned, because if the government is going to breach the rules on administering this vaccine, then there is every chance they will do the same with the others.
People, who are in high vulnerability groups, could be given a false sense of security and re-enter normal life, only to contract and die from the coronavirus.
I would be extremely surprised if Pfizer don’t put out a strongly worded disclaimer, and try to stop this from happening, as it is their reputation that is at risk of being harmed, if their vaccine doesn’t protect lives.

 

Can only agree, the change doesn't make sense. Waiting to hear how the program in the Netherlands will go. Being 71 and occasionally a bit breathless I may well be on the priority list after care home residents and carers and other front line staff.

 

Some experts believe that it is better to have more people with some immunity....this was talked about some weeks ago. Only time will tell.

 

I'm listening to those that have to implement the change. If it was talked about some weeks ago why wasn't it done from the start? As I said earlier it's the logistics of the change that is the problem an example of that below. Keeping the appointments made for the second jab then going to the new program seems to be the way to go and many practises will defy the instructions.

The chair of the BMA’s GP committee, Dr Richard Vautrey, said: “Local leaders are telling us that is unprofessional and impractical to amend the appointments for thousands of frail, elderly patients, particularly those booked and who have already made arrangements to have their second vaccination in the next two weeks.”

Azeem Majeed, a professor of primary care and public health at Imperial College London and a practising GP, said he was shocked by the change of plan.

“We’ve got thousands or perhaps tens of thousands of people who have already booked their second jabs, and these are people who are all elderly, so they often have to make special arrangements for their care or have someone to bring them down. Someone is going to have to ring all these patients to cancel their appointments and rebook them, so it is going to create a lot of work for people as well,” he said.