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Hemases Breakfast thread- Monday 14/12/20

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  1. hemase

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    Morning all,

    Long time poster, first time breakfast threader.

    Leeds 1 West Ham 2

    Leeds lose and put on what must be there worst performance since Forest away. What went wrong? Can we bounce back?

    Set pieces.

    Why are we so bad at defending set pieces? Is man to man marking the wrong way to go? Would we be better using zonal marking? We have been unable to defend corners since Jansson had free range to attack the ball at corners.

    Relegation fight.

    The majority of Leeds fans agree that the target for this season is to stay up. Looking at the teams below us Fulham picked up a very good point and Burnley beat Arsenal in what looks like a early season relegation 6 pointer.

    Sheff Utd and WBA both lose. After two losses should we be worrying about these teams? We are currently 8 points from Europe and 6 points from relegation zone.


    Combined (Ristac).........

    A terrible performance and result for the first team but a good one and top of the league for the U23s so some talking points from that...

    1) Tyler Roberts was selected to come on ahead of Pablo. Is this Bielsa still punishing Pablo or was he considered not fit enough, I doubt there is a Leeds fan in the country who would have selected Roberts to come on ahead of anyone or is there?

    2) Do more of the u23s deserve a chance? What point is it having them and not giving any a chance? I’d like to see one of the strikers on the bench, I still remember the impact a young Alan Smith had on us all at the time.

    3) We conceded two goals against West Ham, both from set pieces, both from different players, both are 6’ 3” in height. Is it simply we lack height or lack discipline when deploying man marking? A few so called experts are saying it’s easy to beat us at set pieces when a team deploys a man for man marking system.

    Get well soon Ell <ok>
     
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  2. ristac

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    @hemase I thought nobody was going to have a go so I also popped one up, let’s go with yours though mate, I’ll delete mine and combine it with yours and thanks for stepping up <ok>

    Set pieces, we conceded two goals both scored by a 6’ 3” player. It would be easy to blame lack of height but a few “experts” are blaming it on the fact we deploy a man for man marking system (and we’re not very good at it).

    We need to bounce back before heads drop and pressure builds. Harrison, Alioski, Costa and Klich are all having a bad time at the moment.

    Harrison is form, he just loses the ball too easily and fails to put in enough good passes or crosses, too many wrong decisions.

    Alioski isn’t a LB he is just being beaten by better players

    Costa is the strangest, he doesn’t look interested, he came on at half time and looked like he’d already played 90 minutes, no energy, knocked off the ball, utter useless.

    Klich, I’m not sure if it’s form or the opposition stopping him doing his usual thing, I thought he looked a bit tired too.
     
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    Cheers Ristac,

    As much as i want to blame the set piece problem on a typical David Moyes 6'5 team i think the problem is the players not being able to work the man marking.

    We were winning all the aerial duels in open play. I think we need to assign at least one of our take players just to attack the ball.


    I think Harrisons form has dropped off since Dallas was moved into the middle. I don't think he trusts Alioski behind him as much and this has hurt his form.

    Get Klich in the middle against Newcastle and Dallas to left back and i think we'll see a different Harrison
     
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    Morning all :emoticon-0148-yes:

    Costa started the season on fire and looked better suited to the Premier League than the Championship. He had Raphinah looking over his shoulder and it seems to have affected his form. Raphinah gets the start now and Costa as a sub seems to have had a bit of a sulk maybe?

    For a team set up on wingers its obvious we dont fire properly when one of the wingers is not performing. Harrison has never played well with Alioski and this is just a fact. Whenever Alioski plays at LWB it stymies Harrison, it screws with his head and last two seasons were exactly the same. So stop playing Alioski and Harrison should fire better

    Harrison, Raphinah, Costa, Poveda, 4 very good wingers but we have to have 2 play well at the same time and if 1 doesnt he has to be replaced by 1 of the other 2. Raphinah can play both sides but Harrison and Costa seem to be left and right only?
     
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    It may sound daft but i think we're overloaded with left footers in attack - crosses from the left are met by players likely on their weaker foot and crosses from the right mostly from a left footer, hence having to be chipped towards back post area primarily, we're not strong in the air so unless those crosses are inch perfect, the opposition have an easy clearance
     
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    Morning Everyone

    I know its easy to point the finger after the horse has bolted, but why on Earth did Bielsa disclose the starting line up?

    Very best case scenario, it doesn't give Leeds any favours.

    We've always known we were terrible at defending set pieces, but were able to get away with it at Championship level.

    I was suprised that we didn't get a couple of big burley freebees as squad players, someone like Daniel Ayala, who at 30 is experienced, difficult to play against and good at defending set pieces.
     
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    Obviously Ells illness is now really really serious <laugh><laugh> Ayala ffs
     
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    Ayling back into RB, Dallas back into LB Cooper and Struijk please
    Pablo on the right with Raphinah on the left with Klich and Rodrigo in the middle with Phillips just behind
     
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    Dunno what medication Ell is on but it must be pretty strong. Ayala <doh><doh><doh><doh><doh>

    We currently have Spanish and German international centre backs. We have the club captain who while not perfect is ok at this level so far. Suggesting we needed to bring in a Warnock special as well. I'm going to lie down for a bit.
     
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    Costa was cobblers when he came on, he did not contribute one positive thing in 45 minutes and he gave away the free kick which led to their winner. Poveda is not the solution either, yes he's much more determined than Costa but he's too small and light and gets knocked off the ball too easily.
     
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    I like Poveda but he’s not ready yet imo. Must be written into his contract that he has to make a certain number of first team appearances (otherwise he may as well have stayed at Man City)

    There are players in the u23’s who look more likely to make an impression for the first team but they’re not getting a look in.
     
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    The only thing I disagree with you on as I believe he and his mate Phil Foden were coached by the same people in the same techniques and are very very similar with Foden being ahead poveda could be just as good soon. Foden didnt get straight into Peps team but es start plenty and performs but even he is still young and needs experience

    i could be wrong?

    poveda and Foden are the same age and the difference is 2” in height with Poveda being only 5’5” Foden joined City at 8yo and Poveda was joining Chelsea then Arsenal then Barcelona. Poveda is known as the wizard and theres a reason for that and why he has played for England more times than Foden. Poveda has played for England since 2015 for the U16s U17s U18s U19s U20s. The next big progress of his career is due and so I believe Bielsa should give him a goand I would even let him have a go at No10
     
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    Doc according to the missus that extra 2 inches makes a lot of difference :emoticon-0111-blush
     
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    Im taller than Poveda but a human tripod <laugh>

    think managers need to know who can take that final step as a player. Are they going to make it and Pep brought Foden on slow then last season really started to give him a go. Roberts has plenty of chances and failed almost every time, but as yet Poveda hasnt failed once coming on as sub, maybe its time we gave him a half drom the start. Struijk took his chance last season, Meslier took his chance?
     
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    I know that Bielsa announcing the team early is upsetting a few peeps, but why? Doesn't matter who he picks - the system is the same. Sadly, our system is now fairly well known - enough for other teams to successfully counter it. Does anyone wildly change our game plan when they are picked? I don't think so.

    Btw, on a separate note, got to mention that Raphinha went missing a number of times. Again. He doesn't seem to get our formation, & the fact that he's a winger - not the #10. Yet he wanders off regularly. A number of times Dallas was looking for him, as was Shacks, but he wasn't where he was supposed to be, resulting in the ball being passed back to the defence again.
     
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    Bielsa has just said that he will not be naming the team because it upset a few pussies last week. He sees nothing wrong with it but it became a talking point.

    therefore to help Steve Bruce I am calling a presser at 5pm today to name our team for Newcastle. Hope it helps the fatfuk
     
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    I'm talking as a squad player, or to come on to preserve a lead, he has the cunning, experience, know how to do that...
     
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    Maybe he has a licence to road. The goal he scored was from the centre.
     
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    Hmmm. When you see more than one player desperately looking for him, then he's deffo not where he should be. Roberts did the same when we tried him on the wing. I can't imagine Bielsa giving anyone free reign. He runs a very regimented game plan.

    In fact, that cnut Jenas on MOTD commented that Bielsa plays set pieces in outfield play, which I must confess I hadn't noticed. He then presented clips of the same things happening over & over, depending on who had the ball at any one time. It was such a clever observation that I almost knocked him off my 'cnuts' list. Almost, but seen sense within a split second. :D
     
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    Really pleased for White Jock and his new tattoo of Jermain Jenas, brilliant what a couple they make <laugh><laugh>

    Jenas isnt that clever mate he saw that been discussed by Pochetino and Diego Simeoni. Every play is coached to dominate an area and if in possession to move to area X with with another player moving into the area vacated. When not in possession each player has an area and a player to dominate. Think the only thing Jenas added was the word chess
     
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