Quinns statement of intent.

If you think that a player earning 120000 a week earns 8 million in a year, you're highly uneducated my friend

 

Clockstand_Pie_Dodger

I hope your not a season ticket holder your depressing me
I believe we will get there eventually and its plain to see that Short believes in stability, sacking the manager now would cost us a fortune, i have read that £100m was spent by clubs on changing there manager. I think the midfield will come good and new striker and LB in Jan and we are ok

 

ok its a little less, £6,240,000 a year without bonuses, sue me. and i meant 160,000 but calculations went a bit off kilter.

 

You have misunderstood my thread mate. I still have massive reservations about the managers ability to turn things round but I can't effect that. Quinn and Short look like they are happy with their man and to keep arguing every day about it is wearing me down.

All I an saying is while Bruce retains that support, It's better to Stop crazing my head off the door and Get back to supporting the team. If there is an apocalyptic collapse, in Nialls words, then the natural course of events will manifest itself at that time.

Let's see where we are come the transfer window, as it seems the owner wants and If things have improved, we will all be happier. If they haven't then I don't think Bruce will be the one spending the money in 2012.

 

Let's hope you're still smiling when we wave goodbye as we pass you by then?

Now the discussion about Bruces immediate future has been decided, I'll be interested in how we go from here. I am comfortable in The knowledge that if they don't improve, Short will change it. Pardew wouldn't be sacked even if you plummeted down the league, as he has made and saved agent ashley a fortune. That is far more important to him than your clubs league position. You're stuck with Pardew. We can change ours still.

 

More than happy to be stuck with a manager who has sold all his best players, worked with a shoestring budget, and still got us through 2 rounds of the cup and 4th in the league mate.

 

The problem with that statement is PArdew had absolutely NOTHING to do with any of the sales, as evidenced by the interviews he did 24 hours before both Carroll and Barton went. He was talking about them staying while ashley was busy selling them behind his back.

Dont be suprised if a big offer comes in in January for Tiote, Colo or Ba, that Agent Ashley wouldnt fill his pockets again and thats why Pardew will never be sacked. He just takes it and gets on. He has done a very, very good job so far but there are another 30/31 games to go yet chum.

Remember Hull and Blackpools start to their relegation seasons?

 

Most of what has emerged in the last few days is good solid PR, which masks a whole load of goings on behind the smoke and mirrors. Nothing more and nothing less. See what happens when we get a pasting off Arsenal and the fans turn up in fewer numbers, the anti-Bruce chants get louder, go on longer with more fans joining in. Let's see what happens then. The Bruce debacle has gone on for long enough now to the point where even those who want him out are sick of debating it. the BoBs are suffering from campaign fatigue. That tells its own story.

Nobody stopped getting behind the team Cest. Your comments suggest some change in behaviour by our supporters and imply some change is now due. Our fans have always been behind the team regardless of what they may think of the manager. Some times we should have been more rebellious and not less. We have been over tolerant for decades man.

 

Very true. You could go and support Man Utd or Barca like most of the football fans who want instant success do. Or you cannot watch football at all. I am not taking to piss I agree with what your saying. I can't help support SAFC, I don't know what it is its in my blood and I feel its in Quinn's blood too. I love the bloke and think he is one of the last genuine people left in football. It is your own choice and your entitled to it.

Clockstand_Pie_Dodger I am sure if we could have kept Bent, Gyan or Welbeck we would have done, its got nothing to do with financial fair play if a player does not want to play for the club because either they are greedy or they have a better offer like Welbeck and Man Utd. We don't have a bottomless pit of money like city and I would rather grow the club steadily rather than do a Leeds and end up bust and in League 1.

 

I'm going to sign 6 players + 1 loan and extend the loan of Mensah for the price of selling Henderson, sending back 3 loanees and taking 4 million out of the Bent fee and here is my squad. (20 of the 24 million from Bent is banked under my deals).

Mignolet

O'Shea Brown Ferdinand Bardsley

Larsson Vaughan Malbranque N'Zogbia

Gyan Bendtner

Bear in mind that we would still have;

Sessegnon, Zenden, Ji, Mensah, Richardson, Elmo, Cattermole, Meyler and Colback all on the books.

That team I have assembled would have cost £22 million and those 6 new additions + 2 loans could have been paid for by Henderson and sending back the 3 loanees and taking 4 million out of the Bent fee alone. So I have tweaked the existing squad, sent Welbeck, Onuoha and Muntari back.

N'Zogbia 10 million
O'Shea 5 million
Brown 1 million
Ji 2 million
Vaughan free
Larsson free
Bendtner 2 million loan fee
Mensah 2 million loan fee

So, 8 additions and a very strong squad capable of a top 10 finish. That squad could cope with 4 key injuries very well. Lets assume O'Shea, Brown, Bendtner and Larsson are injured. We could still put out;

Mignolet

Bardsley Ferdinand Mensah Richardson

Malbranque Vaughan Zenden N'Zogbia

Gyan Sessegnon


Now lets look at what we have got and what it could be with those same 4 injuries;

Mignolet

O'Shea Brown Turner Richardson

Elmo Vaughan Gardner Larsson

Bendtner Sessegnon

Injuries to Bendtner, O'Shea, Larsson and Brown leave;

Mignolet

Elmo Turner Nosworthy Bardsley

Colback Vaughan Gardner Richardson

Sessegnon Ji


with Cattermole, Meyler and Wickham for backup....

Players like Mensah, Ferdinand, Zenden, Malbranque and Gyan all gone missing... All high quality top 10 squad players. Now tell me that the pedigree of the squad hasn't been decimated by wholesale cuts or sheer incompetence?

 

Can anyone clarify the financial fair play regulations.....I thought that it was platini's idea and it only concerned those clubs who qualify for european competitions.....that is europe have laws covering restraint of trade so therefore platini could not impose rules on individual buisinesses but could put restrictions on those clubs wishing to join european competitions that euafa control......

 

October 6th.....

Happy birthday SNQ. 45 today.

 

Your understanding is correct.

Therfore, only the clubs who qualify for Europe are affected.

However let us apply a little vision and think outside of the box for a few brief moments. The premier league are not under any obligation to force any of the clubs within England or Wales to comply with any of the financial fair play rules and could infact publish a statement to the affect of advising all clubs within the entity that is the premier league, that they won't impose any spending restrictions upon any club that wishes to continue securing the cream of global footballing talent.

Therefore, as the remainder of Europe flounders due to its inablity to compete with the financial pulling power of the premier league, global interest in the premier league would increase and as a result the premier league in time would become THE consumer choice of global demand.

If anybody within the premier league had the balls or the vision to market the product in direct competition to the 'champions league' (more appropriately named as the 1st to 4th place league) they along with the FA could build an entity which would reduce the demand for champions league football to nothing more than an insignificant shadow.

All it takes is people with the balls and the vision... If we continue to spend the money in England and gather the cream of footballing talent and market that product accordingly upon a global level, who is going to clamour for a substandard product that is the champions league?

If the FA and the premier league got their act together, they could reduce Sepp Blatters influence to nothing more than a bemused bystander.

 

If you are an English Club, you are guaranteed 22.5 million for just getting to the group stages of the CL

Winning the PL just gets you 16 million.

Players want to play against the best teams in the world, Barca, Inter, Real, AC, Juventus, Benfica etc etc supporters want their team to be playing those, rather than Wigan, Blackburn even Sunderland

Its no wonder the CL is where the cash is at, and why the top players go to CL teams, and why CL teams have higher turnovers than those not in the CL.

Turnover has to do with ticket sales as well, I believe we made about 17 million on ticket sales, Man U made 100 million.

 

You don't appear to understand...

Which owner of a football club with the desire to win the premier league whilst building and watching the best football on the planet who has £2-20 billion net worth is going to be bothered about £22.5 million?

European clubs wouldn't be able to compete with the spending power of owners who have more money than what progressing and winning the champions league could ever provide...

Chelsea, Man City... I'm sure they need 22.5 million? I'm sure they couldn't spend £50 million on Torres without the champions league...

Erm, yes they can... Even Man U are able to spend this kind of money due to their global marketing strategy, nevermind the weatlh or lack thereof of their owners.

Money is the draw... The Wigans of the world have been watching world class players at their ground (visiting teams) due to the wages that other clubs have offered and still do, so your wrong about players wanting to play Barcelona and Real Madrid, they come to the premier league for money, that is the primary motivation, that is how the FA dug the English game out of the post Hillsborough shadows of being banned from European competitions, by allowing money to draw the cream of global talent to England.

If you take a defeatest attitude, you are always defeated. We live in England so let us market the premier league accordingly.

 

But like i said earlier, which player in their right mind, if they are world class anyway, which you will still need to win the PL, would come to a club that just wanted to win the PL, but would never ever get into Europe.

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so you still wouldnt be able to win the PL because you wouldnt get the players to come, if you are going to be banned from europe for the next 5-10 years because you spent a fortune. which you couldnt spend, as the players wouldnt come lol

 

Which players would come? Which players wouldn't come if they could command £100 k per week in England and only £15 k per week in Europe?

They have been coming to England for that very reason for the last 15 years... Why didn't all of these players you make reference to stay in Europe over the last 15 years if they were not drawn to the wealth that is being generated, or the desire to play against Real Madrid?

 

because the ones on 100,000 a week play for the top 6 and have a chance of getting into europe because the top 6 have high turnovers, and even 100,000 a week doesnt get you a world class player these days, you are looking at 140,000 a week +.

yes Money talks, but so does plying your skills against the best teams in the world, this is why the also rans will only ever get players that the top 6 will never look at, and if they do come good, the top 6 buys them up and offers them wages the also rans could never afford, and European football, where they can ply their skills against the best teams in the world.

and please name me some World Class players, that could win the PL that are playing abroad for £15,000 a week.

 

The new financial rules havn't been implemented as of yet, so why do you ask me to name world class players who are currently playing abroad for £15 k per week? The rules don't come into affect until next season... We are talking hypothetical situations NOT current reality.

It is NEXT season when the European clubs and all other clubs that choose to comply will have to set their wages proportionate to revenue. If the premier league didn't tow the line, wages would remain uncapped here and could therefore be funded by wealthy owners...

If you don't see what I can see then we are left with no option but to agree to disagree....

 

pretty sure its this season

The FFPR will therefore start to bite from the 2013-14 season. The rules need to be borne in mind from the 2011-12 season onwards because the 2011-12 and 2012-13 season accounts are used to determine a club’s licence application in the 2013-14 season.

http://forums.thisisanfield.com/sho...FA-Financial-Fair-Play-Rules-amp-Liverpool-FC

I am going in the bath now so cant be arsed to read all of that, but it may teach both of us a thing or 2 if we do read it lol