From earlier comments by Warburton MAYBE IT WAS HIS PLAN should they get the first goal they intimidate Millwall forcing them to play "rough" …. That player has shown just how PATHETIC BLM is becoming ...
If the FA want something worthwhile to investigate rather than fans expressing an opinion, then that's what they should go for. What QPR players did was a deliberately provocative action
QPR's Ilias Chair celebrating his opening goal by taking a knee and raising a fist in front of the Millwall fans, along with team-mate Notsobright Osayi-Samuel. "[We] felt that we needed to do that - especially here," Chair told Sky Sports. "So I think it was a good thing to do." really then go get your IQ checked out, then start a programme to see if you can improve it from zero to maybe 2 ? mind you BBC giving the comment credit ... as it was stated to SKY .. nothing like stirring the s***
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-defence-of-the-booing-millwall-fans It is an enormous shame that the Millwall fans who booed their players for ‘taking a knee’ in support of Black Lives Matter last week were not better acquainted with one of the British BLM leaders, Sasha Johnson — they might have taken a knee themselves out of admiration. In August Ms Johnson tweeted: ‘The white man will not be our equal but our slave.’ If there is one thing Millwall supporters respect it’s aspiration, and Ms Johnson has that in abundance. I am sure the FA, the English Football League, and indeed the Millwall club board, who condemned the booing, all wish Sasha the best of luck in her exciting project. One voice should not be allowed to demean an entire movement, of course. The trouble is — and it is so tiresome to have to point this out every time the issue is raised — Ms Johnson’s views are not especially extreme in a foul organisation that wishes to dismantle capitalism and the family. Taking a knee signals support for the organisation, not for racial equality, and that is the end of the story. The football authorities and the broadcasters were very clear about this when football resumed in June after lockdown. Players would be asked to take a knee in support of Black Lives Matter, upper case, and the point was reinforced by players, commentators and pundits wearing Black Lives Matter badges. So Millwall’s assertion that taking a knee was in no way an endorsement of BLM’s political objectives, but simply a gesture in support of love, peace and happiness among all peoples, is deceitful, cowardly and ludicrous. It is like stretching out your right arm, shouting ‘Sieg Heil!’ and then telling onlookers: ‘It’s just a gesture — nothing to do with old Adolf, mate.’ Taking a knee signals support for a foul organisation, not for racial equality Such a confected furore whipped up by the bed-wetting, obsessive liberal left and their useful halfwits in the media: Barney Ronay, Adrian Durham, the perennially smug Lineker. I knew there would be booing the minute I heard fans would be allowed into the fixture. Of course they would boo. They hate BLM and on that issue I’m with them. They have no problem with football’s Kick It Out campaign, which is genuinely and simply anti-racist. They have no problem whatsoever with black players and are delighted to vote a Muslim Comorian, Nadjim Abdou, player of the year twice. We had black players at Millwall long before most clubs, and black supporters on the terraces — including one or two very useful members of our highly regarded and psycho-pathically vicious ‘firm’ — back when Guardian editorial meetings were whiter than a Ku Klux Klan dinner dance. So cut out the hand-wringing, the lectures and the cant. Millwall fans booed the taking--a-knee business because they have no more time for BLM than they do for meaningless corporate virtue-signalling and they resent the fascistic insistence that everyone must bow down — literally, these days — before the empty and deluded attitudinising of the woke left. Four hours before kick-off on Saturday I read the following from a Millwall fan on the club’s largest supporters’ online forum. (If you are a Guardian reader I assume you think I’m about to translate the comments from the original Neanderthal grunts. No. Really, I don’t need to.) The poster addressed his remarks: ‘FAO: The Players.’ It had been made clear that Millwall players would take a knee and this troubled the supporter — who, like me, knew there would be booing and thus trouble. (Frankly, how the idiots who run the club didn’t work it out is an eternal mystery, not least because the press officer never answers his phone.) Anyway, this particular fan implored the players not to take the knee and added: “The whole BLM movement is insulting to many because it seeks to destroy our country’s values. I don’t mean nationalism or jingoism but the values that unite people across the political spectrum. A belief in the rule of law, free speech, respect for others and the social justice that many of our forebears had to fight for in the trade union movement. Your excuse for supporting this movement is an insult to our intelligence and an overtly political statement. It’s particularly damaging at this time when so many fans are suffering financial hardship that you couldn’t even begin to understand. By supporting BLM you are not healing divisions but creating them. I fear that your actions will cause not just a division between players and fans but a gulf of betrayal that will never be bridged. If you want to campaign against discrimination then please do so, but supporting BLM is the wrong way to do it. That is why the fans booed. Not because they are racists. It is why the fans booed at Colchester United too. And at West Ham, our despised rivals. It is why there was widespread booing at one of the first American ‘soccer’ games to which fans were admitted after lockdown in July, between FC Dallas and Nashville SC. It is quite possibly why the Premier League and the broadcasters quietly ditched their adherence when someone with half a brain cell pointed out what BLM stands for. It is why other clubs, such as QPR, Wigan Athletic and Middlesbrough, decided to stop taking the knee, before they were dragooned back into it. This is the thing: the hypocrisy of it all — the footballing authorities who themselves, rightly, ditched BLM becoming sanctimonious about fans booing a gesture in support of BLM. What do the British people think? An opinion poll for Mail Online in July found that 67 per cent supported Boris Johnson’s decision not to take a knee. Only 13 per cent thought he was wrong. And there you have our problem. On this issue, as on so many, we are dictated to by the shrieking 13 per cent.
Oh God.... somebody in the media who is prepared to stand up and say it like it should be said!! I wonder how long it will take mainstream media to do likewise?
gradually the penny might drop … before it is to late.... KICK IT OUT … BLM organization that is .. no room in sport for politics ….. GOOD NEWS ............ soon 4 erjit supporters of BLM might be wearing a message on their shirts … HMP ! the first 4 of 16? arrested so far [ DEMO IN EARLY SUMMER WRECKING Bristol LANDMARKS ] go to court in January... interesting ! do they plead guilty and possibly get a lighter sentence? or not guilty then found guilty and get what they deserve .. anyways their CV's will carry the conviction!
why just footballers and sportsmen and women,perhaps we should all take the knee before we start work,the builder on site; the vicar before a wedding, the plumber with a finger in the leaking pipe and the prostitute before she.... no forget that one,
ALMOST all posts intentionally or otherwise adds to the ludicrous absurdity of the gesture at football ball fields race tracks .. now there's one .. jockey's … they could do one whilst balancing in the saddle!
It is almost certainly going to be a 'show trial', these 4 have refused to accept a caution, there is a huge 'go fund me' kitty for defence funds, as for any conviction firstly they won't care if it does go that way, but looking at the absurdity of the UK 'injustice' system, there is a high chance of a not guilty verdict, they will have in their corner incredibly highly paid barristers and the CPS will field a bog standard solicitor. These people should have been arrested during the act, just like any other section of society would have been under similar circumstances. This is the police trying to look as if they are upholding the law.
The four? If a similar event occurred at football would it be four charged or tens? As football fans we know the answer, football fans are viewed as vermin and will be subject to the police approaching them with a view to charge as many of them as the police can. I once saw a fan arrested for a breach of the peace for throwing a programme on the pitch towards Chopra of Cardiff. The police said they could not intervene because they feared the consequences. Consequences from whom? Four individuals or a mob of hundreds! The police and cps confine to cow tow to the woke. I expect the sentencing if they are convicted to reflect authorities pandering to the woke rather than the fear BLM must of inflicted on the Avon and Somerset constabulary rendering them fearing intervention, as they would not with other elements of society. Four rather than forty represents already one law for them and another for us,
Interesting point and I don't disagree. It's almost as if football fans are facing the same prejudices that the black community has faced for generations
Football fans in this country are still bearing the consequences of the mob violence experienced previously, particularly the '70's. Many people still regard us in that light no matter what is done in an attempt to alter their opinion.
Had they expected the event to have happened they could have prepared .. not defending them … however a group were intent and premeditated on turning up to do just as they did. Had someone [ anti BLM / RACIST turned up with a gun would the police have been prepared... armed police units are deployed strategically at events of sorts ] started killing or maiming from either "side" would they have been prepared? the act of pulling over the statue was well planned and inflicted very quickly … a dozen or so police v 40 or so pulling a rope! … no contest … they had body cams and video stations and chose to work on that as an after event to save unnecessary violence / injury. 16 were latterly arrested … at last press release I heard might have been more...
Sorry to disagree with you on this JGF. We keep on hearing about "intelligence led policing" and I have no doubt they would have been aware of the probability of this happening, yet did not prepare for it. Why not? I don't know the answer to that! If they did not have sufficient resources in force, they could have called upon mutual aid from surrounding forces who would have been available. This should have been put to bed on the day and the rule of law re-inforced. As it stands, A&S Constabulary come across as being complicit in the whole affair!!
the belief was this was just going to be demonstration which marched from A -B the criminal element had turned up "tooled for the job" ........... in any demonstration there will be a % of peeps willing or hoping it will kick off, the hoped for gullible footsoldiers the criminal element hoped for ! I don't disagree with you, policing was very lacking.. however good old hindsight kicks in! … had they responded at the point of time the rope was attached what would have been the outcome ??? we will never know....
Absolutely 100% spot on, anybody who believes that the police were not aware that there was a very high likelihood of that statue being attacked in some way is naive. Even if intelligence was not to hand (which I am sure it was) then monitoring of social media would have given them at least a clue. Just like the rave in Yate that they claim to have not to known anything about prior to it happening, it was all over social media for up to 2 weeks before the event and the police spend half of their lives monitoring social media these days just in case somebody makes an unwoke comment.
It s It should be beyond belief that in numerous places across England the police had no risk assessment planning for any possibility of violence.The policing of demonstrations does not work like that. The police in Bristol stated that we're not going to intervene, as they did not around the country. Political decisions had already been taken to allow BLM activists or whatever to indulge in direct actions. The policing of football lads the following week after the BLM demo in Bristol was entirely different, as it was around the Country. Again a political decision. BLM claim the police are institutionally racist and worse what BLM do not point out is their demonstrations are given freedoms the rest of society are not allowed. BLM do not condemn violent acts at their demos, or stand up for the freedoms of others outside their movement. They want their privilege but not for all. Footballers kneeling is associated with this desire for power over others whether they understand it or not.
