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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Jul 6, 2018.

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  1. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    did he seriously do that? <laugh>
     
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  2. saintKlopp

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    Tbf, the second yellow incident was fairly innocuous, but Fred should have been off in the first half anyway so justice was, belatedly, done.
     
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  3. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Yep <laugh>
     
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  4. saintKlopp

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    He should have had two yellows and a red before he even got to the one that got him sent off.
     
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  6. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

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  7. saintKlopp

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    Hard to fathom, isn't it?
    I understand that lots of people really want it to work, but how anyone can think it has in reality made things better is beyond me. Even its most ardent supporters seem to be reduced to finding excuses as to why it's crap.
     
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  8. jaffaklopp

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    Everyone is happy with goal line tech, apart from the one dodgy moment for Bournemouth last season, but then VAR was so useless it couldn't even check that right.

    It's a clean cut and quick method. Imagine if they had to pause it at the right frame and start drawing lines down to the goal line to check if it was it. Sounds ridiculous in comparison
     
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  9. Red Hadron Collider

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    Yep. ****ing farcical <laugh>
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

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    100% of VAR decisions involving Liverpool have been wrong. 30% of people like VAR. ...... and nobody's seeing the correlation.
     
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  11. RogerisontheHunt

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    PGMOL

    Easy to make up statistic if you ask the right people.
    Also VAR isn't used in the EFL (aside from the play-offs), so it depends on your experience to your view of VAR.
     
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    Thing is, we all take it on trust that Hawk-Eye technology is sound - none of us know for certain as we have no way of checking. I'm not casting doubt, it's a straightforward task it has to perform and there is no subjectivity involved - but the Villa game showed that even that simple task is open to error so what chance has VAR got with the various difficulties it faces?
    As I've said (so many times I'm boring myself) the tech is not suitable for the job being asked of it. It was a mistake, but no-one wants to admit failure.
     
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  13. jaffaklopp

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    I do generally trust hawk eye for accuracy though. You can watch videos of how they test and calibrate it against a wall of varying depths into the goal or amongst a crowded box.

    It helps that it's a near instant answer and when we get the replay it is a computer generated animation from how it has viewed it. Which is consistently applied across every game.

    Would be great if they could apply these methods to offside
     
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  14. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    But Tech isn't the issue. The problem is how it's being used by incompetent people. Fair enough if technology isn't advanced enough, then it shouldn't be used - that's on the FA, PL or whoever is in charge of making these decisions.

    And let's be honest, the tech that is used isn't ground breaking stuff. It's just a bunch of cameras providing a 360 view. Disregard offsides and focus on normal fouls / penalty shouts, refs are STILL making awful shouts.

    Goal line technology is the rare example of tech working incredibly well. It has almost a 100% success rate and not only that, it provides the decisions within 10 seconds.
     
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  15. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Tech should be used to help refs make their decision (with the exception of goal line where the decision is made for them). However, the refs are hiding behind VAR and aren't taking any accountability for bad decisions.
     
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    Pep Fraudiola trying to avoid responsibility for his obscene waste on transfers "I'm not a manager just a trainer."
     
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    I've said before that no blame is attached to the tech itself - it's nothing more than a passive instrument. The fault lies in the idea that technology is the answer to everything, without actually assessing whether or not it is the appropriate solution to the problem. VAR is not accurate enough for the fine margins expected of it, and as so many incidents in football are subjective it can do no more than shift the subjectivity upstairs - at the cost of fluidity.
    A digital radio is a good piece of technology, but you can't use it to open a can of beer.
    The technology has to be devised to fit the task. VAR - as it currently stands - is not fit for purpose.
     
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    Yeah... I held out hope it would be used in a sensible way but knew that our refs either deliberately or through incompetence would make sure it was terrible.

    Its sucked the soul out of the game... luckily its at its worst when crowds haven't been there. Should just drop it now as crowds return...
     
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    Just shows how many dodgy decisions you got before they were checked properly.
     
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