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Lee Johnson and Leadership Skills.

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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Brainwashed or misled I still cant't understand your hardcore thoughts for such an obvious failure, it was a massive amout of money spent, getting on for sixty signings, wonderful facilities and expertise around him, no City manager has ever had such opportunities and backing before, yet his nunber two has had to come in, pick up the baton, rebuild the confidence, self belief and set about restoring the trust of the fans,bringing back most of us together in our support for the club instead of the great divisions and disappoinments that he created and caused.

    You talk about you can't educate pork but what honour has LJ ever achieved for any club at any level in football, name just one, you can polish a turd but it's still a turd.
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Wiz, don't bother.

    You can't educate pork <laugh>
     
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  3. Supcon72

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    Again, all the talk is of the money spent, no mention of how much was recouped (it can't be one and not the other)..... Yes he won nothing in terms of honours, so if that is the yardstick, then yes he failed; however, look at our history, 99% of managers would fit in that category., yet I see some of them in the Hall of Fame and talked about in high regard on here.

    There is a wave of anti-Johnson family sentiment amongst some on here that stretches back to GJ's days, and I don't fully understand it, as GJ was the last manager, before his son to stabilise us as a Championship side, yet both are vilified on here regularly. I don't get it?

    Call me strange, but I think turning us into a top 10 side in the Championship is a bigger achievement than winning L1 and the pi$$ pot cup - if that's your measure of success, maybe you should go and join the blue few at the minimal....
     
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  4. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Lee Johnson
    Honours

    As a manager - None
    Individual
    Steve Cotterill
    Honours

    As a manager
    Cheltenham Town
    Notts County
    Bristol City
    Individual

    You raised a comparison about LJ and us becoming league 1 Chanpions and a piss pot cup, compare the achievments of the 2 guys above both personal and individual, the 2 are worlds apart, one is a proven winner and the other, at best a pretender.
     
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  5. Red Alert

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    Been plenty of posts on here that he spent and lost more money than any other manager in history on here to do it. It was his bullshit that got me. Quite liked him at first but bigged himself up so much that I couldn’t stand listening to his **** in the end. Look at the first post mentions Bailey Wright a leader a warrior. LJ was costing the squad if for years saying he had no leaders they didn’t do what he was told. That coaches voice thing on dna years ago he was banging on about identity this being the way forward development seasons on he is doing something entirely different. Buying loads spending **** loads playing no or nearly no players through the pathway and playing more formations than any other manager in living memory. As for busy bees you want busy buy players who will be busy or develop them instead of famara and Palmer and Tomlin!!!
     
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  6. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Wow, he's high flying now after all those amazing honours.................Manager at Shrewsbury!! <laugh> Not really had a decent job since the City..Couldn't really hack it above League 1.....sorry, lovely guy and did well for us at the time.........but any further doesn't do it for me..
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Then there is Leapy on the dole....<laugh>
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    The level of rancour between City fans will go on and on.
    It proves that appointing Lee Johnson was a massive mistake by Lansdown.
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    IMO was a young manager learning his trade, came to us 3-5 years too early...
    All this about costing us money, I don't buy it....Kept us in the championship and didn't lose us money at all....again, needing to know who dealt with transfers etc, not sure it was all down to him.
    We got rid of him was for the team to progress and IMO that's what needs to be achieved, anything less and it would have been a pointless sacking..
     
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    As I say, impressive if L1 & 2 are the standard-bearer, thanks to LJ we aim higher these days!
     
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  11. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Hang on. Cotts hasn't had a decent job in 4 years,,,,give him a chance!! <doh>
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    Lee had nearly 5 years with us and gained 4/5 places, he had his chance and blew it.:rolleyes:
     
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    No, it proves the bigotry toward the Johnson clan runs very deep in some!! How is Dean Holden any more proven than LJ was/is, yet I don't see any issues raised by fans on here and the downright vitriol against him?

    If anything he was less deserving of the chance he has than LJ was, but that fact floats on by - why?
     
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    Before he became our current manager, name a football match DH had won as a manager, let alone an honour....... yet nobody is on his case like they were when LJ was appointed, or throughout his tenure, again I ask why? Pure hatred and bigotry is the answer. Clearly RP has daddy issues, the way he goes on about LJ.
     
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    Ultimately yes he did, as he didn't reach the target set, and probably wasn't going to, so the time was probably right to make the change, I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that 5 years on the bounce of Championship football and year on year improvement (until last season) is not a failure. Just look at out football history, it's the second-best spell of football - in terms of the playing level we have ever had as a club!
     
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    The fact that he moved us from a club happy to avoid relegation to a club disappointed to miss out on the play offs in his tenure seems to escape some people
     
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    Bristol City lost a lot of money with Mr Johnson. One season of operating profit does not erase the tens of millions lost. Mr Lansdown had to turn loss and debt into equity to balance the books during Mr Johnson’s time in charge -The club accounts identify concerns about the viability of BCFC without these regular cash injections.

    Progress is subjective. Progress can be stabilising the above. Putting in place behaviours and philosophies in place that make the club more likely to fulfil its aims. Mr Johnson rhetoric was littered with references to modern coaching philosophy that he did not meet - identity, playing models, dna ..

    Mr Johnson was in a world of soup with a spoon. His best football was played by chance. Bobby Reid was played up front due to the injuries of others years ago. The high pressing busy bees was abandoned as the lumps regained fitness. Reid was played deeper the football became longer .. The football regressed
     
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  18. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    There is no hatred or bigotry coming from me at all, my opinion is based on him, he was a failure, false promises, bad signings, continuous waffle, excuses, he became a total bore and lost his way, his worst crime is the way he split the fan base, sorry but to progress 5 places in 4 plus years with all of the advantages he had is rediculous.
     
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    Plus the fact that at the end of every season had to sell his best players and start again and try to fill in the gaps left............oh yes forgot about that!!
    I think the stadium had some muscle in relation to finances .....oh yes, lets forget the Role Mr Ashton played in all of this..
    Thanks LJ for making this club worse than when you came in....................................not!! <doh>
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    LJ didn't split the fans....................the section of LJ hatrers did that.. And consistency in the championship, is the best we've had in 40+ years
     
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