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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

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    Prominent Tory arse Steve Baker is insisting on a full cost/benefit analysis of the new Covid restrictions. Shame he didn't think to apply this principle to Brexit.
     
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    David Davis did one but dare point out that it’s the stupidest thing any economy has ever imposed on itself and you’re met with a wall of red, white and blue gammon rage and declared an enemy of the country.

    The timing is an absolute godsend for the government though. Just blame it all on Covid. We simply must pander to an ever-dwindling minority of flag nonces.
     
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    BBC Question Time @bbcquestiontime

    “The private sector is full of people who were the invisible front line that kept us going.”

    @Fox_Claire says public sector workers are “not the only heroes” of the pandemic, and delivery drivers and others are being treated with contempt #bbcqt

    :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Trade unionist Paul Embery on his new book “Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class”. "They treat working class voters as an elderly embarrassing relative – they want their votes but they don’t particularly want to be seen in public with them."
     
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    Vladimir Putin must really take lessons from Israel in how to assasinate people abroad without earning a mass of international criticism in return ! It appears that the murder of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh can only have had the objective of encouraging Iran to retaliate during the last days of Trumps administration in the USA. At any rate only Mossad have the long arms, infrastructure and motive necessary for this act. But where is the international criticism ? Or have so many been cowed by the possibility of being labelled as anti semitic ? If Putin had been behind the same act then the World response would have been immediate.
     
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    There should be one, as there should’ve been one for Brexit, regardless of whether individual voters factored it in or not. Why shouldn’t that’s be the job of the OBR?
     
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    Walmart Thanks Government For Completely Obliterating Their Small Business Competition
    November 23rd, 2020
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    U.S.—In an open letter addressed to state officials, Walmart leadership expressed gratefulness to the government for inflating their sales and stock price while completely pulverizing their small business competition.

    "Yeah, we know 2020 has been tough for the little people," said one board member while shoveling piles of cash into his vault. "But it's been super great for us! No longer do we have to worry about the baker down the street or the family-owned hardware store next door taking away some of our business. The government just blew them up! We didn't even ask them to! Can you believe it? What luck!"

    According to reports, Americans are really looking forward to giving all their business solely to giant mega-corporations like Walmart, Amazon, and McDonald's until all local culture has disappeared.

    "This is my dream come true!" said Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos. "Within 10 years, everyone will be wearing the same identical futuristic grey jumpsuit and eating Amazon-issued food cubes, just like in the movies! That will be so cool."

    Sources indicate most powerful corporations are advocating at least one more year of lockdowns to make sure small business competition stays dead. "We have to make sure those uppity business owners never threaten us again," said Bezos while sitting in a massive chair and stroking a white cat.
     
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    List of countries who would have to increase their aid budget to hit 0.5%:
    Japan
    France
    Canada
    Italy
    Switzerland
    Australia
    South Korea
    Belgium
    Spain
    Finland
    Austria
    Ireland
    Poland
    New Zealand
    Portugal
    Greece
    Czech Rep
    Slovak Rep
    Slovenia
    Iceland
     
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    Carole Cadwalladr should now return her Orwell Prize
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    A small but significant event has just occurred. This morning the legal case between Arron Banks and the journalist Carole Cadwalladr was due to start. The case came about because of Cadwalladr’s claim that Arron Banks – who was a founder of the Leave.EU campaign (the non-official Leave campaign) – was offered money by the Russians. Cadwalladr has been going around for years making these and other unfounded accusations in every forum and on every platform she can manage. It is not as though her campaign has been obscure. The Observer newspaper has supported her, and as her entirely unsubstantiated claims grew, she was shamefully awarded the Orwell Prize for journalism.

    Although she claimed to see Russian agents everywhere it was finally Banks who decided to sue Cadwalladr. She crowdfunded – posing as the underdog truth-teller against the big rich Russian agent – and then last night (having rinsed her supporters for cash till the last minute) she pulled out of the hearing. As Guido reports here she conceded that she had no evidence and could not go ahead with the case. She is now reportedly forced to pay a first down-payment of £62,000 in costs, with more to come.

    Perhaps it is necessary to say at this point that I have never met either Banks or Cadwalladr and have no special love for either of them. But what has just happened is something that should cause a certain ripple of consequences.

    Firstly, it should be noted that the campaign of defamation which Cadwalladr has engaged in over recent years has been poisonous. I have read many of her unsourced, unsubstantiated claims with amazement that they were ever published. For years she has pumped these claims about Russian agents and Russian money throughout our body politic. In the process she has not only attacked individuals, but every member of the British public who voted for Brexit in 2016.

    Cadwalladr and her financial backers have for years pretended that the British public were misled into voting for Brexit. Instead of listening to the genuine concerns of their fellow citizens they engaged in a smear-campaign against us. They pretended there were not serious reasons to vote the way we did, but only vacuous, stupid people, led down the wrong road by agents of a foreign power. It was an outrageous claim, outrageously encouraged and tolerated by Cadwalladr’s colleagues and peers because she seemed to be confirming their own bigotries and prejudices.


    She and her friends pumped poisonous toxins into post-2016 Britain, from a position of considerable privilege and with some serious financial backing of their own. Now, when Cadwalladr has to stand up just one of her claims in court it turns out – as some of us guessed all along – that she cannot. She never had the evidence to justify her attacks on Banks or the British public.

    A decade ago Cadwalladr’s predecessor Johann Hari was forced to hand back the Orwell Prize for journalism after being found to be dishonest in his reporting. Perhaps this year Cadwalladr could do the decent thing and voluntarily hand back her award as well. Her behaviour has in fact been far more damaging to this country and the journalistic trade than Hari’s ever was. It is one thing if a newspaper wants to continue to publish the unsubstantiated claims of a conspiracy theorist. It is quite another that a distinguished award for journalism should continue to encourage such behaviour.

    Update: Carole Cadwalladr has disputed the fairness and accuracy of this article as follows:



    • She says she is continuing to defend the libel claim by Arron Banks. The hearing referred to was an interim hearing in the case.
    • She is defending the claim on the basis not that the statements complained of by Mr Banks are true (she has dropped that defence) but on the basis that she reasonably believed it was in the public interest for her to have made them.
    • The trial of the case will take place next year and it is only then that the outcome of the claim will be decided.
     
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    Yes, there should be one.
     
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    What's your point?
     
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    You lost get over it. It’s not about money anyway. It’s about sovereignty and fighting for the rights of British fish and maybe avoiding the EU closing loopholes on tax havens - admittedly that bit is money but it’s mainly the sovereignty which we definitely didn’t have before and the fish which we mainly export.

    Anyway just get over it.
     
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    75% of homeless people are men
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    Yeah, because anything we export is clearly unimportant to this country
     
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    In the grand scheme of what we’re risking to placate the country’s flag shaggers it’s incredibly unimportant. A tiny percentage of the economy. Less so still if there are new trade barriers. No one involved on our side of the negotiations actually gives a **** about it but it distracts from the level playing field and it’s easier to explain to the plebs that we’re fighting for fish, which we can all visualise, than something intangible. Ellers’ mate Redwood’s tweets on it are well worth a read.

    Fortunately however I like mackerel.
     
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