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The season 2020 - 2021.

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by Walsh.i.am, Jul 7, 2020.

  1. DUNCAN DONUTS

    DUNCAN DONUTS SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR

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    You seem to be fascinated by spread sheets , I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the xG thing to be perfectly honest .

    There is a whole department at most football clubs that take it seriously and players get hooked up to all sorts of gadgets to crunch data so it's part of the modern game .
    Don't we recruit on a moneyball type of system that brought in lots of players like Pukki and Buendia?

    I could be talking **** but I seem to remember reading something along those lines.
    If it irritates posters they can always ignore it , it doesn't particularly bother me what you post it would be boring if we all agreed with each other.

    We haven't played against particularly dirty sides so I don't understand why we have so many injuries perhaps the grueling fitness requirements are causing all these injuries?
     
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  2. Walsh.i.am

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    Hence why I had no qualms in hitting the 'ignore' button <ok>
     
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    And me <ok>
     
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  4. Canary Spring

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    Krul only missing three weeks sounds fortunate as there were suggestions it could have been several weeks more than that. Pukki had to be rested sometime soon, anyway. I just hope he's given enough time to heal completely.
     
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  5. robbieBB

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    The xG value of a penalty kick is 0.76, so 3 penalties awarded against us add up to 2.28 xGa. That's less than 1/3 of our "over performance" rather than "most" of it!
    Also, saying "inflated" has the suggestion of artificially boosting our xGa. But there's no artificiality about it; conceding a penalty is no different from conceding any other similarly valued big chance.
    Krul's penalty heroics (i.e. above average goalkeeping), and the infamous "double kick" penalty miss (i.e. a slice of good fortune) account for 1/3 of the discrepancy between our GA and xGa. As you say, how to account for the remaining 2/3 is an interesting question. Would we even be asking it if it wasn't for xGa drawing it to our attention?
     
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  6. robbieBB

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    They may dislike it Rick, but that doesn't stop them embracing ideas that open football to "science". For example the idea of on-field space. Who doesn't now "get" the importance of use of space in scoring goals and winning games?
    Football is a great game precisely because of the "hidden" complexities that open it to scientific analysis. As the authors of The Numbers Game wrote way back in 2103:
    "With the growing availability of positioning data and x-y co-ordinates for players and ball, analysts will be able to employ the tools of algebraic geometry and network theory to gain more insight into the game. The focus will move away from the ball and the counting of "ball events" ....... and attention will shift to players away from the ball, the clusters they form, the spaces they enclose, and the way the ball and information move about the network they compose".
    Does any of that imply less excitement for those watching a game? Of course not.
     
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    Oh for the good old days of Peters, Paddon, Foggo and Keelan. “Ball events, clusters, network” - I mean what the actual fork ?
     
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  9. Walsh.i.am

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    Tempting to start a thread entitled 'Anoraks, sports scientists...and interminable bores' on which he's welcome to post all this drivel without bogging down every single football (beautiful, simplistic game) thread?
     
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    I understand now Robbie, you're a time traveller, you let it slip with "way back in 2103".
     
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    In the future the games will be virtual and will be decided by xG analysis released two days later.
     
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    <laugh> To use an analogy I've suggested before OCF, just think colour/wavelengths of light. Peters, Paddon, Foggo and Keelan played football, just as Emi, Marco, Placheta and Krul do, but the game has developed since their day, not simply due to improved technical skill, but also continually improving understanding of what really happens on the pitch. The only difference it makes for those on here who just want to watch football is that they have to put me on Ignore! <laugh>
     
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    Norwich City's win and performance against Middlesbrough last Saturday has been named the Performance of the Week by the League's Manager Association.
    City won the match 1-0 thanks to a penalty from Teemu Pukki.
    The League Managers Association’s panel comprising of LMA Chairman Howard Wilkinson, Sir Alex Ferguson, Joe Royle, Dave Bassett, Barry Fry Paul Ince and Rachel Yankey decided that the award should go to the Canaries.

    Well deserved
     
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    Love that sketch.
     
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    Recap of the present situation with regard to players listed on Norwich City First Team squad:

    injured:
    Krul
    Byram
    Quintilla
    Mumba
    Dowell
    Cantwell
    McClean
    Hernandez
    Hugill
    Pukki
    Idah
    Rupp

    Suspended:
    Buendia

    Loan:
    Famewo
    Klose
    Heise
    McCallam
    Sinani
    Sitti
    Trybull
    Thompson
    Morris

    Not available:
    Drmic (injured?)
    Leitner

    This leaves: McGovern, Oxborough, Aarons, Hanley, Zimmermann, Gibson,Vrancic, Placheta, Stiepermann, Sorensen, Skipp, Martin, Tettey, Omotoye
     
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    Isn't Aaron's now injured
     
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  18. RiverEndRick

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    Not sure ift Aarons won't join the injured list, but at least Emi will be available.
     
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    Can’t understand why Leitner is being ignored. Surely Farke can’t afford the luxury of leaving him out? Is there an issue that I am not aware of?
     
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    Is there somewhere we can see the estimated number of matches each of the injured players is from being fit, or something like that?
     
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