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All change at the top?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Cest Advocaat, Oct 4, 2011.

  1. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    When the news broke last night on the BBC talk in I was listening to, I can honestly say it came as no shock to me at all. In fact, I could add that I had even been expecting something like this, given that Ellis Short has been very high profile at games this season and have said as much over the last few weeks and months.

    What does it mean then? For me, this is a natural development at the club and I have been advocating a more hard nosed professional approach to the backroom operation, with Niall taking a PR and marketing role to promote the club and improve our image.

    Ellis will soon appoint a number two to do the day to day stuff imo and will take a much more determined, harder approach to team matters.

    I'm excited by this development and see it as a huge step forward for the club. We shall soon see what it means for Bruce but I'm not convinced it spells the end for him at all. It may even mean more cash for him in January rather than the bullet. Then again, it could mean that Short has had enough of this poor return and Bruce may well be moved on as part of this reshuffle at the top. I guess we shall see very soon.

    One thing is for certain and that's the fact that the stalemate has been broken now with this and I expect some exciting developments over the next few weeks.

    Never a dull moment eh? Lol

    FTM
     
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  2. blackcatsteve

    blackcatsteve Well-Known Member

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    I will be honest here cest, I probably disagree with 99% of your threads, but this one I completely agree with, it can only be good for the club imho
     
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  3. Bizarreknives

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    I too agree (weird isnt it ?)
    But I also think this is the end for Bruce, I reckon Short has told Quinn to sack Bruce, Quinn refused as they are mates, so Short has stepped in to do the deed himself.
    May be completely wrong on this, but I'd give Bruce a week at best.
     
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  4. SAFC 55

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    My take Cest.Bruce will either get the push soon,or that Ellis Short is clearing the decks to sell,just my opinion though
     
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  5. CyprusMackem

    CyprusMackem Active Member

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    I'm intrigued by this TBH.
    Quinn has shown his love for the club by not walking away. Ellis has given a strong sign of intent by putting his name as chairman. I'd have been very concerned if Quinn had stepped down and Short had appointed a "number two".
    As for Bruce I can't see how this change can do anything but weaken his position. Ellis Short does not seem the type of bloke to accept second best to often. If Ellis see's another manager (who's available) as better than Bruce he'll not think twice about bringing him in.
    I may have supported Bruce over the last few months but if he goes and we improve then so be it.
    One thing I'm certain of though. If Short thinks we can dramatically improve whilst balancing the books he's in for a shock.
     
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  6. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    Frankly, I have no idea what this means. I hope it means a harder, more results-based attitude, but as you say, it will be interesting!
     
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  7. safcyellowbelly

    safcyellowbelly Well-Known Member

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    The news did cause me to wonder how the first conversation between SB and Ellis Short would go after the change... I guess ES wants to be directly persuaded by SB that he is the man for the job, what he intends doing to improve the situation and what he proposes to be measured against.

    One issue which has from time to time caused me to ponder how it is that underperforming managers get sacked and walk away with significant payoffs is why clubs don`t (as would happen to most of us if we regularly under delivered) institute some sort of performance management plan - ie improve by getting x points in y matches or you`re on a final warning - then a further (assuming he fails) x points from a further y games - and you`re out on notice. Stick in a notice clause in the original contract (6 months?) then you get rid on 6 months money rather than the balance of the contrcat term - may be that I just don`t understand the typical terms in "sporting contracts" and a notice clause would never be acceptable - if not, why not, if the manager delivers he has nothing to fear, if he fails he can`t really complain!

    At least all we have to fear this weekend is injuries!

    KTF
     
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  8. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    55 - he wouldnt have had to become chairman to sell up mate. He could have just sold it. In fact , he would have kept Quinny as the best front man to actually sell it on (after all he sold it to Ellis to start with remember) so I'm not persuaded this is his motive.

    As for Bruce, his position has weakened dramatically this morning and he must know that now. Maybe he will stop looking to blame everyone else in the world for his teams shocking performances and results for the past 9 months and concentrate his mind on saving his neck now. That may have a very positive effect?
     
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  9. billofengland

    billofengland Well-Known Member

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    INTERNATIONAL COORDINATOR/ WHF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, BEWICK ON TWEED.we cant get our own folk to give a ****....INTERNATIONAL,,,,,, give us a break,
    the hours on the clock will tell, although, ancellotti has got his p45, as has MON.
     
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  10. bald-in-guelph

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    One scenario that hasn't been considered here is the possibility of Niall coming back at some stage as the figurehead of come consortium or other. He has already masterminded two takeovers so why stop there. He may become the main man again when Ellis Short eventually sells.
     
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  11. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    When Short took took over as owner of the club..he stated European football was his ambition and that the club would never suffer relegation under his tenure...Maybe..just maybe, he has decided he needs to be a lot more hands on. He cannot be happy seeing what is happening, but he is also not stupid enough to get rid of a legend such as Quinn. By taking Quinn out of front line decisions I can now see some major stuff happening in the next few weeks. Short is super rich man...a guy who seems to get what he wants. I just hope his statement when he took control of our club means that...this is what he wants...fingers crossed eh!!!
     
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  12. MackemsRule

    MackemsRule Well-Known Member

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    Just as well he didn't say that on here.
    He would have been called an idiot and worse and told to go and glory hunt elsewhere. :p
     
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  13. bald-in-guelph

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    Well said Brother Flanders. One of the reasons that Ellis Short signed up according to NQ was the simple fact that 40K + turned up to watch a team in a deprived area who hadn't won a trophy worth mentioning since 1973. This appealed to him because he saw the huge potential.

    That potential is quite frankly been "pissed away" at the moment. Relegation is a total disaster. Flirting with it as a matter of course was acceptable to Bob Murray, but it doesn't sit with Mr Short's plans. How can it?

    The fact that in excess of 40K + turn up every week regardless is something that ****wit Bruce should consider when he says that "expectations are too high." We have had little cause for optimism in my lifetime and we have won nowt for close to 40 years. The problem has been that our expectations are very low, and this is exemplified by the fact that there are some who would stick with this imbecile Bruce despite the fact that he has produced nothing but complete ****e for nine months.
     
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  14. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    We've had a football man in to get us where we are now and Quinn has done a brilliant job for us. However as we start to struggle it is now time for a money man to get the finances sorted and begin to make the decisions that Quinny couldn't. Whether that means sacking or backing Bruce the decision needs to be made soon before it is too late.
     
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