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Off Topic Coronavirus - 606 tales from the Inquiry

Discussion in 'Charlton' started by lardiman, Feb 25, 2020.

  1. The Penguin

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    So far every single person in the UK who has caught Covid has not been drinking Domestos. Co-incidence? I think not.
     
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    A moron can be a really good fvck (I'm told).
     
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  3. Sandman

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    Many rural communities cannot be policed, so this is where most disobedience occurs. Ironically these are the areas with the lowest "R" rates. In addition, it was found that all the demo's in London had no effect on the "R" number whatsoever. These are facts.
     
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  4. The Pub Landlord

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    To give you another perspective on this, pubs have been on limited hours since July and those not serving food (like mine) are among the first to get the chop next time round.

    However, I don't think that pubs are a major part of the problem, they are just an easy target.

    My pub is an old-fashioned back-street pub with a working-class customer base. Many of the customers are "known to the authorities". When we re-opened in July I expected some of the harder-to-handle individuals to cause a problem. Far from it. They quickly got into a routine of sitting apart at tables rather than grouping at the bar, and funnily enough have all become addicted to watching The Chase ... Come 10 o'clock the bar is empty as required.

    This includes travellers, although it tends to be the older ones that use my place. The younger ones use Wetherspoons.

    The only problem we ever have with enforcement of distancing and seating is Friday and Saturday, when the the younger ones overspill from Wetherspoons and come to my place. They are unruly, mainly travellers, and are hard to reason with. I have banned a good number of them in the last two months.

    Looking at the wider picture, the people spreading the virus by association in groups seem to be youngsters, especially in student towns. Rather than shut every pub, and impact on both those wanting a responsible night out and those making a living from the industry, would it not be better to raise the age for drinking in pubs to 25 for the duration of the epidemic?
     
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  5. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    If Boris is going to lock the country down again it needs doing properly.
    But I fear it won't be.

    Keeping schools and colleges open is not a full lock-down. It's a half-hearted gesture in the vain hope that the economy can still be kept ticking over by parents (who've still got jobs) going to work instead of looking after their kids at home.
    But the virus - unlike some of the electorate - won't be fooled.

    All public transport and school runs have to be reduced as close as possible to zero.
    Unless journeys and interaction is reduced once again to the absolute minimum - supermarket, chemist, excercise - the infection rates won't come down anything like quickly enough.

    The price for a total lockdown again will of course be more economic disaster.
    Furlough would have to be reintroduced, at 80% minimum.

    But hasn't the Government learned by now that half-baked measures don't work.

    We either lock down fully for 6-8 weeks minimum, or the whole thing isn't worth doing.
    Boris has to decide if he wants to stop the virus, or cover his arse with a cosmetic 'lock-down lite' and risk the NHS collapsing this winter.

    Some regions are two weeks away from running out of ICU beds.
    And the rates of serious illness requiring them could increase TENFOLD before the end of the year.
     
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  6. The Pub Landlord

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    I fully agree with the sentiment but I think it's too late.

    I have been chatting to one of the Chinese suppliers of my lighting business this morning. Citizens there cannot leave China and it is difficult for a foreigner to get permission to enter China at the moment, but within China it is back to normal and she is surprised that the UK is still struggling.

    When the virus hit in China she was locked down for two months. She works in ShenZhen but had returned for Chinese New Year to her home town near to Wuhan, the epicentre of the problem, so had a longer lockdown than other areas. But even in her area it was controlled quickly and effectively.

    The difference is that the lockdown there was short but total. Flights in and out of the country were reduced and incomers were quarantined.

    Our Government is frightened of its own shadow and did not really face up to the problem for several weeks and even then still allowed people to enter the country without checking or quarantine. I feel that the virus has by now spread so wide that further lockdown is pointless, most people must have come into contact with it by now. My aged mother, who I take shopping every week, is determined to make what she can of the freedom she can get in what remain of her days and refuses to be locked in to spend her remaining days in solitude.
     
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  7. Sandman

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    100,000 elderly people will miss was is probably their last Xmas with friends and family...that is not quality of life.
     
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  8. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    A vaccine is coming.
    I reckon it will be available for key workers in a month or two, and for mass distribution in about 6 months time.

    That's how long our Government needs to protect people's lives for.
    Not wobble around trying to avoid paying people not to go to work - protect people's lives. With a total winter lock-down & furlough.

    If we aren't all vaccinated by summer next year then the Economy as we knew it is finished.
    Massive State intervention and control will be needed just to keep people fed and clothed and housed.
    Bizarrely, old school Socialism (written off as dead at the end of the Cold war) will be the only long term saviour of the masses.

    But I don't think it will come to that.
    I believe 100% that a vaccine (or a series of them) will come. And it will come in time to save our lifestyles as we knew them.
     
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    The problem with a vaccine is getting 99.95 of the unaffected population to accept it.
     
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  10. lardiman

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    Most will accept it I think.

    Given a choice;
    A) take the vaccine and have your old life back, or
    B) refuse it and fall ill while everyone else gets their old lives back and forgets about you...

    I'll have the vaccine thanks.
    And so will about 97% of others I would estimate.
    Virtually 100% of vulnerable folk.

    Some may continue to refuse out of principle or stupidity.
    Can't say I have any sympathy for them. If they prefer to contract Coronavirus that's their problem.
    The rest of us can get things back to the way we like them ... going to pubs, football, theatres, cinemas, concerts...
    Enjoying life again.
     
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  11. The Penguin

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    The virus must love it in this country. We should just put out "Viruses welcome"signs.
     
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  12. Sandman

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    Why would the majority of us take a fast track vaccine for something that's not going to affect us? Your figure of 97% goes totally against the polls.
     
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  13. The Penguin

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    Watching Boris? Me neither.
     
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  14. lardiman

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    Not going to affect us?
    • Social distancing everywhere
    • Education damaged for millions of children.
    • Many shops and cafe's closed. Cinemas, theatres, concert halls closed. Uncounted jobs lost in those industries.
    • Football Clubs unable to open their doors. Many going to the wall.
    • Cities are ghost towns. People too afraid to use public transport.
    • Curfews closing pubs and restaurants.
    • Masks compulsory in supermarkets, and used ones littering the streets.
    • Hundreds dying every day. NHS staff at their wits end, exhausted and demoralised.
    • People with life threatening illnesses needing treatment but being ignored, or afraid to go to hospital.
    Are those enough effects? Coronavirus is killing our society.

    Yet ALL of that suffering can be consigned to the past - if people take the vaccine.

    How utterly selfish is it for any individual to refuse, just because they think they personally will only catch a mild form of the illness?

    Even most morons who think they are personally invincible surely don't really want to carry on living in a world that's gone to **** because of COVID19. Losing their jobs and their loved ones because of it.

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    Anyway, who cares about people who won't take the vaccine. More fool them.
    It should be compulsory for all children to be given it at school.

    As long as the vulnerable and key workers are protected, anti-vacc idiots can throw away their lives if they want.
    All I would say is that anybody refusing to take the vaccine should be registered as doing that.
    Then if they get ill with Coronavirus, they can pay themselves for any long-term care they need once they leave hospital.

    Got no time for anti-vacc morons.
     
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  15. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    Has he said anything about a new lock-down?
     
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  16. The Penguin

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    Maybe evolution has created a stupidity gene. When you look at the illnesses which have been eradicated by vaccines I think that is the only explanation.
     
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  17. lardiman

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    Either way the effect will be the same.

    Once we have a vaccine, the only people who need suffer or die from COVID19 are the stupid and the ignorant.
    Frankly we'll be better off without them.
    I'll defend the rights of poor and deprived folk all day long.
    But people who choose to be vulnerable to a deadly disease? I wouldn't waste my breath.

    I will feel sorry for the small - hopefully very small - minority who won't be protected by the vaccine (no vaccine is 100% effective)
    But that's just life. Can't be helped.

    How many annual flu victims are people who didn't have a flu jab?
    Perhaps flu vaccine uptake will increase as well as Coronavirus vaccine uptake being as high as possible.
     
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  18. Sandman

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    You need to think before you reply. Vaccine / effect as get ill with it. Nice bit of virtue signalling, just a shame that two days ago you said starving kids in other countries were not your concern,,,they are fellow humans. Try anger management if you cannot recognise a question or cannot respond to it with dignity. That's all it was, a ****ing question!d

    Edit: Sentences that start with "why" are usually questions, apart from in your twisted world.
     
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  19. lardiman

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    Pretty stupid question - deserved exactly the answer it got.

    And as for virtue signalling - "starving children in other countries..."
    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
     
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    I hear Into the Valley are crying out for a poster like you. Amy Winehouse sang Back To Black. My version is Back to Block.
     
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