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  1. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    That's a link to the current BBC News page, it changes. What item were you referring to?
     
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    Feck knows I've forgot
     
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    BBC News
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    Cheaper to prevent pandemics than 'cure' them
    By Roger HarrabinBBC environment analyst
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    The world needs a new approach to prevent future pandemics killing millions more victims, a report says.

    It says contact between people, wildlife and livestock must be curbed to cut the risk of bacteria and viruses crossing from animals to humans.

    Health care should be provided for people living close to animals in high-risk areas.

    This would help stop outbreaks of disease before they have a chance to spread more widely.

    Common approaches are needed, it says, so that pandemic prevention becomes commonplace around the world.

    It would be hundreds of times cheaper to prevent outbreaks than to suffer the grim consequences, the authors maintain.

    It calls on people to stop encroaching on wild land and eat less meat, because the industry drives contact between humans and emerging pathogens.

    The report says governments must work together to avoid future pandemics, and must swiftly contain outbreaks.

    It warns that, without a co-ordinated global plan , more will die from future pandemics more dangerous than Covid-19.

    The document has been drawn up by an organisation established by the UN, which is known as IPBES (Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services). It is tasked with protecting the natural world on behalf of people.

    It notes that the current pandemic might cost the world economy $16 trillion (£12.2 trillion) by next summer.

    But preventive measures - such as cracking down on the wildlife trade - would cost between $22bn and $31bn annually. It's a large sum, but a fraction of the economic cost of coping with a pandemic like Covid-19.

    Video caption"Species are going extinct at a faster rate than we've seen for millions of years" - Laura Foster reports
    The authors say the risk of pandemics is increasing rapidly, with more than five new diseases emerging every year.

    The report warns that 70% of new diseases like ebola and zika, and almost all known pathogens with pandemic potential, such as influenza, HIV, and the novel coronavirus, have their origins in animals.

    These diseases “spill over“ - jump from one species to another - during contact between wildlife, livestock, and people.

    The report says mammals and birds are estimated to harbour more than a million undiscovered viruses.

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    Image captionA number of human diseases come from bats, but experts say they should not be blamed
    It recommends:

    • setting up an expert pandemic prevention panel like the world’s climate change panel;
    • an international accord to build preparedness, enhance prevention, and control outbreaks;
    • a common approach on assessing major land-use projects that might expose humans to animal viruses.
    The document says: “Pandemics are becoming more frequent. Without preventive strategies, they will emerge more often, spread more rapidly, kill more people, and affect the global economy with more devastating impact.”

    It criticises current strategies which rely on responding to diseases with new vaccines after they’ve emerged.

    The authors say: “Covid-19 demonstrates this is a slow and uncertain path, as the human costs are mounting in lives lost, sickness endured, economic collapse, and lost livelihoods.”

    The authors trace the drivers of pandemics, including agricultural expansion and intensification, the wildlife trade, wildlife consumption and global travel.

    The recommendation to lower the consumption of farmed and wild meat – especially from emerging disease hotspots - may face resistance from nations such as Brazil.

    Ranching and the production of animal feed contribute significantly to the South American country's economy.

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    Image captionHabitat destruction is hastening spillovers of diseases from animals to humans
    But other reports have noted that eating less meat would also protect wildlife, enhance human health and combat climate change.

    The authors say climate heating is implicated in disease emergence, mentioning tick-borne encephalitis.

    They say it's likely to increase the future risk from disease by driving the movement of people, wildlife, and pathogens in ways that lead to new contact among species.

    Prof Matthew Baylis from Liverpool University, who was not involved with the new report, told BBC News: “Slowing the degradation of natural land will be as challenging to politicians and the public as preventing climate change.

    “But the huge human, social and economic costs of the Covid-19 pandemic make a compelling case for global action. A major bonus is that this action can also contribute to addressing climate change (by preserving natural land)."

    Questions will doubtless be raised about some of the numbers in the report.

    The lead author, Peter Daszak, told BBC News that all the calculations were based on published scientific papers.

    He said: “Of course it’s tough to predict the unknown and the real numbers could be higher or lower. But it’s very, very clear that the costs of prevention are orders of magnitude lower than the costs of a major pandemic.”

    Prof Kate Jones from University College London (UCL), who didn’t work on the document, said: “It’s a bit speculative about the costs, clearly.

    “But it seems roughly right, especially given how much this current pandemic is costing - and this one is pretty mild, given the range of possibilities of these types of diseases.”

    However compelling the numbers may be, decisions on pandemics will be determined by global politics.

    Lee Hannah, from the green group Conservation International, told BBC News: "The challenge isn't what to do, we know what to do - reduce deforestation and re-establish healthy relationships between people and forests.

    "The question is whether there is the political will to invest $10bn or more each year globally, and then sustain that investment to avoid trillions of dollars in damages and untold tolls in loss of life and disruption."

    Follow Roger on Twitter.

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  6. blonogasoven

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    I think that article is using the pandemic to push it's agenda.
    Pretty much all pandemics originate in Asia or Africa.
    Deforestation bringing humans closer to animals is increasing the risk but the way the indigenous people live creates problems. Wet markets are known breeding grounds for transmission between species but they're a part of life in poorer countries.
    The way out of it is wealth.
    In the West we eat millions of tonnes of meat, we are, on average, very unhealthy but no pandemics start in richer countries.
    Because of the overpopulation in Asia and Africa these issues will not get any better.

    My own view is that this Coronavirus is strangely targeted at the old and the frail.
    If you wanted to design something that chemically mimics survival of the fittest then this would be what you might come up with.
    Kill off all those that are a drain on society leaving just the healthy, fit and able.

    It's spooky
     
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    You'd think that, given their interactions with the animal population, the Welsh would have started a foot and mouth pandemic.

    <laugh>
     
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    They did, 20 years ago
     
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    My view, sensible view. Lockdowns dont work they only delay and smash the economy and throw millions onto the dole.

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  11. Eric Le Merde

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    Their infection rates are increasing quite significantly. I hope that this doesn't translate into deaths but worldwide evidence suggests this is likely to be a forlorn hope.

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    There's 23 other causes of death before the ChinaVirus gets you
    getting hit by a meteor is 23rd, and you don't need an underlying illness :emoticon-0141-whew:
     
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  13. Eric Le Merde

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    The US is currently at about 70 deaths per 100,000 attributed to coronavirus, based on 2017 and 2018 data, that would put it as the 3rd most likely killer.

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    I don't see 'death by gunfire' listed. Why is this?
     
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  15. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    Because it's less than the suicide rate at about 12 per 100,000. In 2017, last year that I have figures for 39773 people were killed directly by gunfire, and a population of about 328 million.
     
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    IT'S NOT ENOUGH!!!! <doh>
     
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  17. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    ?
     
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    See Rowan Atkinson on French driving fatalities.
     
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  19. Eric Le Merde

    Eric Le Merde Well-Known Member

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    I'm probably spoiling a very good joke here but I have no idea what you are talking about
     
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    Just looked it up myself, Eric, and it's gone. It was very anti-European so probably offended someone and it's been taken down. Ho-hum.
     
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