Coronavirus

I don’t see how this works at all, especially given their Tier 3 status.

Taking a percentage of the crowd is OK as a principle but not when you’re talking about a 75k capacity stadium, for all the reasons given.

 

Very true,you'd have clubs,music venues,theatres etc all saying the same thing.

 

I think Old Trafford might be a bit bigger than The Tip, or whatever your ground’s called. Pretty sure they have more than one staircase per stand.

 

Who'd risk their health going to watch that pile of **** ffs

 

The problem is at the moment indoor venues are arranged where fans can go and watch the match. Which given the choice is worse than actually going to the stadium. And there was one match I heard about last weekend iirc (I'm sure there are more) where the club were playing away from home so the fans went to their home ground to watch it on the big screen.

 

https://theduran.com/australia-lockdown-denies-four-newborn-babies-heart-surgery/

Australia lockdown denies four newborn babies heart surgery

Actually killing babies in trade for some unlikely hypothetical infections prevented.

I'd be right in saying the NHS wouldn't allow this to happen? right?

 

And here are the facts as we know them today from less sensationalist news outlets...

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews yesterday rejected suggestions COVID-19 restrictions in his state prevented the four infants from being transferred to Melbourne for care, saying that decision had been made in South Australia.

"I don't think it was a matter of restrictions — there was a choice, not at our end but at the other end, for them not to be sent," Mr Andrews said.

SA Premier Steven Marshall said he was not aware of any travel restrictions affecting infant medical transfer, but said he would wait for the SA Health review.

"I'm not aware of any restrictions with regards to travel that have led to this situation, but we'll wait for those reviews to come back," he said.

"We've got access to the top paediatric cardiologists in other jurisdictions around the country."

AND what's been omitted in the tasteless and sensational reporting that Sisu wants to promote...

The inquiry heard the Adelaide Women's and Children's Hospital being described as 'second class'.

Professor Svigos, a respected obstetrician, who now heads up the WCH Alliance lobby, bluntly asked how many more deaths of babies and young children will the community and staff be forced to endure before the situation is improved at the hospital?

Slaried Medical Officers Association chief industrial officer Bernadette Mulholland informed the committee a fourth child had also tragically died on Friday.

She told the committee a chronic lack of resources is leaving medical staff on the brink of 'burnout'.

Ms Mulholland explained it was common for junior doctors to be found 'sleeping on the floor because of a lack of resources.

'Essentially there is not enough staff, not enough resourcing, not enough allied health to run many of the services of paediatric medicine in this state,' she said.

'If something is not done about it then the legacy this will create for the women and children of this state will unfortunately be very grim.'

One year earlier hospital staff called for a an upgrade to the chronic lack of paediatric cardiac services available at the hospital but the business case was rejected because it was not seen to be economically viable. An independent report concluded the number of likely cases would not be enough justify $6million set-up cost, or keep the skill levels of surgeons up to standard. But Professor Svigos warned the hospital must become self sufficient and not rely on patient transfers.
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As always, the situation is more complex than is sometimes made out. An investigation is ongoing and if the hospital chose not to transfer the babies then they should be held accountable. However it's also important to note that even IF the hospital in Adelaide chose not to send the babies, the fault lies with them as there is no such restriction for infant medical transfers, so Covid-19 measures as referred to by the SA Premiere are not to blame.

 

Another day of over 300 deaths here ffs.

When Whitty said a month ago that if we carried on as we were we’d be looking at over 200 deaths per day by mid November he was absolutely pilloried by the usual right wing mouthpieces for being a scaremonger and they were trying to posit the notion that COVID was no longer an issue of us.

Surprisingly they’ve gone a bit quiet in the last few days.

 

Yes, I've noticed from reading reports that is the Manchester United line of why supporters should be allowed back. Yet despite looking, I can find plenty of information regarding inside the ground, but non about the dispersal of 23,500 people afterwards. Hence why I raised the question. Although looking at this footage, I suppose if there was a staged leaving process before the final whistle



Bottleneck there.

 

I'm not watching that

 

BTW Did manure actually specific who the 23,000 would be? ST holders or a £200 ticket for a kind of russian roulette, covid-19 or stay for the full 90 minutes.

 

The French seem to have realised the catastrophe that awaits us this winter.

Nothing to worry about on our side of the channel as football clubs/ media/pundits repeatedly call for fans to return to stadia, even though the daily Covid death toll reaches 300+ again.

 

Sweden averaging 2 deaths a day, Cities, especially Stockholm bustling

Some say (out of sheer ignorance) that "herd immunity is a myth". There must be some other explanation as to why this is so.

Severe lockdowns seem to have an effect of immediate dampening, then make it worse than if no drastic lockdown.

Victoria in Oz has a retard like Wales lockdown, and just watch them make things a bit worse than without them, delaying the inevitable, that this virus is going to keep moving around seasonally

 

Sweden hasn’t got it beat either. Hard to get objective analysis on the Swedish experiment anywhere in the press, for whatever reason. But their experience (surge, decline, second wave) seems to be broadly in line with everyone else’s; which may suggest it doesn’t really matter what approach government’s take, this thing will run it’s course in it’s own way. Too early to tell, probably.

https://www.thelocal.se/20201027/sweden-nears-critical-point-as-coronavirus-cases-surge

 

It's interesting that Sweden have had less deaths per 100,000 than we have and yet a very different strategy. Like you say, it's probably too early to tell, but you'd have assumed that they'd be leading the way.

 

You're a few days out of date, it's largely open now. That "full retard" reduced infections from 725 a day to just, well on average, 2.8 per day with 5 people in hospital and none on ventilators. It's spring here and in the state where I live life is pretty normal, games have crowds, shops are open, pubs are full and schools are teaching. We could get an increase as autumn approaches but so far less than 1000 people have died due to this retarded behaviour, or to put it on a comparative basis approximately 20 times fewer people per million population have died than in the UK.

 

That's not a fair comparison. The UK is four nations and all four nations are being handled individually by their leaders. At the moment Sturgeon is running Scotland at a worse rate than England and the same goes for the Welsh.

 

Australia is a Commonwealth. States are governed by elected premiers, It's about the same as the UK. Collectively we are all Australian.

 

I just don't see why the UK should be counted together during this. All four nations are doing their own thing so it's wrong to put it all at the door of the UK government when they're only making the decisions for England. Many people on here were saying we should be following Nicola Sturgeons lead. They've shut up now, as usual.