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Match Day Thread Vs Everton (A)

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Zanjinho, Oct 4, 2020.

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  1. Zanjinho

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    Depends which team it favoured :bandit:
     
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  2. Diego

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    What, a player getting injured trying to stop a goal because a player got clean through or a team being denied a goal because a linesman got a call wrong?
    ****ed if i wan't to put a value on that but to keep the game clean play it as it's called at the time and wait for the decision after the final outcome.
    If you have to chase a player to stop a goal and cause injury then it's not VAR or the ref/linesman fault.
     
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  3. Tobes

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    Eh? So you’d have no offside possible from a free kick?
     
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  4. Diego

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    Yep, the advantage should go to the side who have been offended against, defenders running away a second or two before the ball is kicked is a massive advantage over the attackers that can't move forward until the second the ball is kicked.
    If you can't defend don't give away free kicks around your box <ok>

    All about unfair advantage same as the off side rule, well it is the off side rule <laugh>
     
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  5. Tobes

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    But that’d mean the attacking side could literally line up on the goal line if they wished and every free kick in the opposition half would be a punt into the box and a goal line scramble.

    The current rule is fine imo, if the defending side chooses to hold a high line then they’re susceptible to the ball over the top, and if the defenders try and play offside they just need to go with them until the ball is kicked and then spin in behind.
     
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  6. Diego

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    You mean the defending team might have to defend after committing a foul, who would imagine that <yikes>
     
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  7. Tobes

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    I don’t think you’ve thought this one through tbh mate. Any innocuous foul 40/50 yards out would see a Hail Mary ball into a crammed goal mouth. Not sure what that adds to the game like.

    Also a free kick comes after a player has been fouled, if he’s not fouled then the offside rule still applies and so why if there’s a foul should they gain the huge advantage of that rule no longer being in play?
     
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  8. Diego

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    But it's not an advantage to the attacker?
    If a foul has been given the defenders have the advantage of lining up next to each attacker in preparation of the ball being kicked, they both know where that ball is going (roughly) and so are in perfect harmony at that moment. If the defender is given the chance to "step up" one or two seconds before the ball is kicked it gives them a distinct advantage over the attacker who has to wait until the second the ball is kicked.
    The law is bullshit and probably worse than many others.
     
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  9. Tobes

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    Only they can step up and get caught going the wrong way as the ball goes over their heads and into free space where a forward stood off the defending line can run clean into, happens all the time.

    I’ve literally never heard anyone complaining about this tbh, until now lol. Teams defend from set pieces in different ways dependant on their coach / managers choice. Some play with a high line and try and play the offside, others drop off a bit further and just seek to defend the ball. It’s just a tactical part of the game with one side trying to outwit the other. I’d much rather see that, than the removal of offside and the yard dog tactic of lump it under the cross bar and hope for a scrambled goal from every free kick within range of a punt becoming the norm.
     
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  10. Diego

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    How long have you been watching the game?

    Unfair advantage works both ways, what would you class as that with normal off side rules, someone being a little faster than his opponent, maybe being quicker of mind or thought?
     
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  11. Tobes

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    Literally all my life, but not that it’s relevant to this.

    So now it’s an unfair advantage to the attacking side as they might have quicker players, and they’d be able to undo the offside trap? Make your mind up <laugh>

    File under brain fart mate. I’m off back to bed,
     
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  12. Diego

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    Not really good at reading are you fella <laugh>

    I said that fast players get called for off side because they are quicker of foot and mind which is a bullshit rule.
    Totally different to a free kick where all players have the chance to mark their man when they know where the ball is going but choose to run away, gaining an advantage works both ways and with fast players the only advantage they have is their speed, with cowardly defenders they can wander away from their duty at free kicks and get the call <doh>
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    Before we even think about how VAR should be used to judge offsides, we need to simplify the whole rule together.

    Forget all of this first phase, second phase nonsense. If anyone is in an offside position, regardless of whether they are interfering with play or not, put the flag up.

    I understand the benefits of breaking up the play into phases etc but it's just complicating things more. How the hell are linesmen supposed to remember all of these phases, judge who is in interfering with play etc etc when even VAR struggles to do it.

    Then we can move onto how VAR judges it. Your offside if there is day light between the attacker and last defender..
     
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    look, offside is an necessary evil.

    its a rule designed to prevent goal hanging and a game that looks more like netball with the jobjective to get the ball up to the forward on top of the keeper as fast as possible.

    After that is actually pretty simple but got really.negative where every offside was a free and it broke up play.

    so now we have a new scenario where blatent wrongs are being sought to be corrected.

    it ought to be the perfect solution but it is not as an over love of technology has been added to self interest to create the worst of all worlds. instead of oversight to correct wrong calls we have self regulation and chronicle poor decisions being justified rather than the simple correction through fairness.

    people even comparing var offside to ball tracking for goal line shows how poorly the technology is understood.

    a goal is a fixed position in space where cameras can be calibrated properly and added together to get a fairly accurate result. its already been proven to not be infallible but to be 99.99% credible. one goal in one game.

    offside has nowhere near the same precision as every scenario is unique with variable camera positions and angles.

    at best it is a guess. at worst it is a guy moving to lines to get the result he wants.

    the lines should be removed. it is a flawed and inaccurate technology.

    lines person should flag on field decision(aka go do the job) and var should look at camera views and offer opinion. if its obvious they were onside then reverse call or vice versa.

    we have to remember that in cricket ball tracking is not enough to over rule an umpire unless its clearly more than half a ball and all accept this as a compromise knowing its a guess based on ball flight that could be totally different if you saw real ball 10 times.

    you can call foot position, you can call ball impact, you can listen with microphone for contact but you can only guess if the ball will hit a stump.


    in football they cannot even call the defenders position accurately as they don't use the feet every time. they have been seen moving that line about to fix the result.
     
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  15. saintKlopp

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    Bring in the clear daylight rule and leave it up to the linesman.
    Use VAR only to advise the ref of something serious that he missed.
     
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    They could just use those things you run on, to decide var offside. Feet, where your feet are and if the difference between the attacker and defender is less than the width of the line you are using to judge, then not offside.
     
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  17. Solid_Air 2

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    much easier imo linesman gives his decision var checks if it was clearly wrong if not then decision stands .
     
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  18. saintKlopp

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    If it's deemed wrong, what then?
    Imo, the technology is not advanced enough to accurately assess the fine margins that it's being expected to decide upon, so it's not fit for purpose in that respect.
    Hence my earlier post. Give offside decisions back to the linesman, use VAR to advise the ref of important incidents he may have missed.
    It's suppose to assist the officials, not supplant them.
     
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  19. Solid_Air 2

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    then if linesman soft signal was offside but this was clearly wrong then goal stands and vice versa . If you use clear & obvious error as the criteria it shouldn't be fine margins .
     
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  20. Zanjinho

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    What defines "clearly wrong"? If the player was six inch off? A foot? A yard? At the risk of sounding repetitive, it's just moving the line. Still needs to be consistent and consistency only comes if there are guidelines to follow
     
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