Off Topic "The Great Reset" hence the delusion of the masses

If you had read the link then it would have explained to you why there was already a plan for a common vaccination card as early as 2018 - it was in response to the spread of Measles and also TB which has seen a resurgance in some Balkan states with insufficient vaccination programmes. It had nothing to do with Covid 19 or your conspiracy theories (I use the plural here because you have more than one of them but have strung them all together).

 

8 Reasons Why I Don’t Wear A Mask And You Probably Shouldn’t Either.

Mask wearing could be dangerous

I would be remiss not to mention the strong case made by Dr. Russell Blaylock in this article for Technocracy, contending that mask-wearing is not only useless but possibly even dangerous over the long-haul. It’s worth a read, even if you’re skeptical. Just from a common-sense perspective it definitely doesn’t seem wise to breathe one’s own breath for long periods of time. The pushback against the piece - and there has been a lot - seems mostly to be focused on Blaylock himself rather than the specific evidence he brings up. So make of that what you will.

...the full article....

https://townhall.com/columnists/sco...ask-and-you-probably-shouldnt-either-n2569786

 

I am used to a brief introduction before I read an article.

 

So you got the introduction afterwards - what bloody difference does it make ! The reason you want to gloss over it is because it proves your supposition to be false. Like in so many other cases you simply gloss over any facts which do not fit into your narrative

 

Mince your words.

3rd girl died in Germany and you shout at me again - you must be out of your mind. Ignore modus on again.

 

Not shouting at you, just getting a few home truths across. What did you expect when you opened this thread - that the unenlightened masses would just lap up your every word ? Waiting with baited breath for the next edition of lies, half truths and propaganda like lost souls waiting to be 'informed' ? I can understand anyone being frustrated with the lockdowns, or feeling that the reaction may have been disproportionate. But you go a whole step further. You disclaim Qanon - but have all of their characteristics - your narrative turns an attack upon the lockdown into one upon Bill Gates and George Soros (two of the tradition bogeymen of the far right), whilst simultaneously weaving into the scenario Greta Thunberg.and the environmentalist movement, black lives matter, equality for women, a supposed planned takeover of Europe by immigrants (hence reference to the Kalegi plan earlier) - all packed into one box. Things that you have read from liers simply get regurgitated on here as 'fact' - like Angela Merkel is a Communist (the World's best kept secret as far as I can see) and that, apparently both she and Putin are Freemasons - the fact that the Freemasons do not, and have never admitted women to their ranks doesn't cross your mind for a minute - you just lap up the lies and regurgitate them on here as fact.
I do not know for sure that you are simply a mouthpiece for the alt right, or Qanon or any other far right group looking to spread their ideas on social media - but I go by the maxim ''If it looks like a duck, walks like one, and quacks like one then it probably is one'' !

 

I am intrigued to know exactly how a child, sorry 3 have died wearing a face mask. can you provide the relevant links to the sites where I can find this out

 

Show me the proof that a teenage died from wearing a mask...and nothing else.

The proof please

 

Very impolite approach yet again Beth - if you talk to me this way we will not continue discussing anything.

 

If you do understand German then I will give you the facts without any problem.

Latest information I received - 6 years old.

 

just the links please. I would be interested to know the type of mask the children were wearing, how they were wearing it, did the kids have any other medical conditions which would have had an impact on their ability to wear appropriate PPE. Additionally what were the kids doing in the lead up to the incident.
I do not speak German fluently however I do know a little and have a friend that can translate for me when I get in trouble.
In my professional career, I investigate accidents and incidents within the workplace, and having worked at special needs school, and main stream college for a number of years I have an interest in these events.

 

That is just fine and you do not need to speak fluent German. In my point of view it really does not matter if the children are wearing the right masks as long as nobody tells them to either wear no mask or if so, the "right" one.

In Germany there is a huge opposition the mass media will never talk about or if so, they are all Right-Wing, Nazi or something else you can use nowadays denouncing people.

To mention only one but very important doctor there is Dr. Bodo Schiffmann who is a specialist in ear, nose and throat medicine, vaccination opponents. In 2006 he founded the Vertigo Outpatient Clinic in Sinsheim, a specialist practice for vertigo diseases, which he has been running
ever since.

https://t.me/denta_beaute/380

After you have seen his recent video (I can provide the full list) you will feel sick how ignorant we are.

 

Here is the more official version - in script and not in the ravings of a YouTube video. Unfortunately a higher level of German is necessary here and I don't have time to translate it. It appears the 'proof' asked for leaves a lot to be desired.
https://www.rnd.de/panorama/faktenc...-maske-trugen-KLDHCWRACZAF5NEILU6T6EHPAA.html

 

What most people do not realise untill now is that political parties follow the very same agenda and there is almost no difference between a conservative or left party - they are all in the same boat but with different colours. Tomorrow I will tell you know why noone should trust those parties anymore and why the Colognehornet keeps following me. It is certainly not because he is looking for the truth but trying to discredit me all the time. You will be amazed.

 

That is not rude Butthuber.

I asked for proof ... You cannot just say a teenager died from wearing a mask ...and I say proof please.

You say that is rude.

I could say an old lady died of wearing a hat...you would obviously say where's your proof Beth.

You will make statements and never provide proof.
You will not ever answer a question.

You do not respond to Cologne's questions.

I have no apologies to make here Butthuber at all.

 

I think you will find that I am looking for the truth - but I do not watch one YouTube video and proclaim it to be fact that something happened simply because I want to believe it. The 'fact' which you don't like is that the medical examinations did not show any sign that the wearing of masks was the cause of death in either case. Of course you can try to discredit the medical profession by saying that the examinations were false, because they don't support your narrative. The 'fact' is that you don't have 'facts' to go on.

 

Good Evening Beth,

your approach towards me has been the most impolite I have ever experienced in the UK ever. Noone I have met so far has been as rude as you have been. You have been prejudiced since day one which is a pitty. The only reason why I keep responding is that you might change that attitude.

Another outright lie is that I did not respond to Cologne - I have done nothing else so far, are you blind ?

You are neither a Mod, nor are you qualified for anything. Dead meat.

Stay away for your own good.

 

Butthuber...Please do not insult me.

So please do not tell me what I am and I am not.

I am not impressed that you have threatened me...with "stay away for your own good"...that certainly does sound threatening to me.

I would like an explanation of what you mean and an apology please

 

Translation, for those that are interested

Fact check: Did children really die from wearing a mask?

The story spreads online that two children died because of wearing a mask.
Corona deniers in particular see themselves confirmed by the alleged cases.
The problem: there is absolutely no evidence of this.

Hanover. Again and again, deniers of the corona pandemic try to initiate conspiracy theories on social media. There have been plenty of examples of this in the past few months. For a few days now, a new story has been spreading on social networks: Allegedly two children have already died because they wore a mask.

This can be read in countless comments on Facebook, and the news is also spreading in relevant Telegram groups. There is talk of a lack of oxygen as a cause of death. One of the cases occurred in Rhineland-Palatinate - the other in an unknown location, also in Germany.

But where does the story come from? And what is it actually?

The origin of the conspiracy theory

To find the source of the message, let's go back a few months. Because already in spring, at the beginning of the Corona measures, warnings are given on the internet of alleged dangers from wearing masks - especially for children.

In a Facebook post, for example, it was said that children could “not control” CO₂ emissions under the mask. “They don't notice when they're getting too little air. The CO₂ collects underneath and her little lungs breathe in everything that leads to respiratory paralysis, ”says the post, which, however, does not provide any evidence to support the claim.

The Mimikama portal, which specializes in refuting false reports online, investigated these allegations back in April. In a longer text, the fact checkers refer to doctors, nurses and the pediatrician Dr. Zala Gruber in Vienna. The final analysis of the portal: “CO₂ is a very volatile gas that is definitely not stopped by such a mask. If the CO₂ saturation in the body increases, the breathing drive increases. With high CO₂ concentrations in the body we would get breathlessness and then take off the mask at the latest. "

The portal also has to consider: “If the allegations were correct, then the doctors and medical staff in the hospitals (even during normal operation, without a pandemic) would tip over in rows, because they often wear these and similar masks for a whole shift or for hours Operations where people talk to each other. "

Schoolgirl collapses on the bus

The story of the supposedly dangerous mask has been wafting through the net ever since. After all: it does not develop into a major conspiracy theory. Probably also because, for months, not a single case is known in which young people were seriously injured or died by wearing a mask.

However, if the stories are believed, that will change on September 9, 2020. On this day, local and national media reported the sudden death of a schoolgirl in the district of Germersheim (Rhineland-Palatinate). The girl is on her way home by bus with 32 other students when she suddenly collapses there. According to the police, rescue workers take care of the girl immediately - but the student dies a little later in the hospital. There are no indications of criminal behavior.

In right-wing circles, the news immediately warmed up the conspiracy machine. The AfD member of the Bundestag Birgit Malsack-Winkelmann finally shares a photo on Facebook. Headline: “13-year-old dies after collapsing in the school bus. First fatality from mask? When does the autopsy follow? " In the accompanying post, Malsack-Winkelmann writes: “Put an end to the madness! At least spare our children, because they cannot defend themselves! Only #AfD! "

This has consequences: the post is shared rapidly - and the rumor that a schoolgirl died “because of the mask requirement on the bus” develops from a question without any clues to a perceived fact. The regional newspaper “Rheinpfalz” feels compelled to publish an opinion piece on the topic. Local editor Ralf Wittenmeier writes in it: “Mask refusers, conspiracy fanatics and other lateral thinkers would love to see that wearing the mask was a reason for a 13- Year old had to die. These people and those who share their arguments online have no decency. "

No basis for death by mask

In fact, there is still no basis for assuming that the student died because of her mouth and nose protection, of all things. According to a report by “Rheinpflaz” on September 11th, a first forensic medical examination does not provide a clear result on the cause of death. On September 16, the public prosecutor announced that further investigations would be ordered in the case of the deceased schoolgirl. It will also be examined whether a possible lack of oxygen is the cause.


At the request of the RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND), a spokeswoman for the Landau public prosecutor said on Monday that after the autopsy, the cause of death could still be assumed to be unclear. “Therefore, further forensic examinations were commissioned to determine the cause of death. The result is not yet available, ”it continues.

The rumor that the girl died on the bus because of her mouth and nose protection is currently based exclusively on the Facebook post of an AfD politician. Shortly after publication, Malsack-Winkelmann admitted to the t-online.de portal that she had “made no claims, just asked a question”.
Doctor speaks of "second case"

But the rumor is not out of the world - on the contrary: In the meantime another of this kind is spreading. On September 26, the Sinsheim doctor Bodo Schiffmann posted a video on his social media channels in which he claims he was another child died due to the mask requirement. Schiffmann is a prominent spokesman in the corona denier scene. Since the beginning of the pandemic, he has been spreading controversial theses on Covid-19 on his channels, including YouTube and Bitchute.

The facts of his story are meanwhile even thinner than in the first case. Schiffmann reports that he received a “message from a medical colleague”. A second child died within a “short time”. “This child also has no previous illness. It is currently being autopsied, the results are not yet available. It is a child again, who in all likelihood died from wearing this mask. Just like the first child that I have reported about several times. " By this, Schiffmann means the case from Rhineland-Palatinate.

But the doctor has more to report. Also from “other clinics” and “from neurologists” he was told that more and more children suffered from severe headaches and poor concentration, nausea and the like. The alleged reason: the mask. “A father wrote to me this morning that his son would be forced to wear a mask in physical education class. And he is not allowed to wear his glasses so that this mask fits better. " The glasses have 6.5 diopters. The child is blind without glasses. Apart from that, it is “murder” to let a child wear a mask while exercising, Schiffmann continued.

Dead boy in East Frisia?

According to the alleged experience reports, Schiffmann starts to speak angry about the government and the corona measures. Until the end of the video, however, he owes one thing to his viewers: evidence of his claims, particularly the alleged death of a child.

In response to an RND request, Schiffmann explains that the victim was a 13-year-old boy from the Aurich area (East Frisia). He said on the phone that he got the information from a “confidential” and, above all, “safer” source. However, he could not give the name - otherwise she would lose her job. According to his own information, the doctor also does not know in which clinic the alleged further case should have occurred. However, the public prosecutor's office in Aurich and Oldenburg are dealing with the case.
The public prosecutor knows nothing

The Aurich public prosecutor's office, however, does not know anything about this case. When asked by RND, press spokesman Jan Wilken stated that he had not heard of such a story so far. In this case, however, the place of death of the alleged victim would be relevant. Should this have been in one of the large accident hospitals in the region, the Oldenburg public prosecutor would be responsible.

But in Oldenburg, too, no one has heard of such a case. “A corresponding incident has not yet become known to the public prosecutor's office in Oldenburg,” spokesman Matthias Rennecke confirmed on request.

Thus the alleged second case remains nothing more than a myth. The community of corona deniers is not that important anyway. The rumor works that way, after all. On Facebook posts from media companies, on YouTube videos, in chat groups - the alleged news of the death of “another” child has spread everywhere since the weekend. The fact that there is no evidence at all for both cases is completely irrelevant, because: After all, there is also no real counter-evidence. And the ultimate goal of conspiracy theories was also fulfilled: to create confusion, at all costs.

 

Thank you China Saint for the translation. That is very useful and very informative.

Just thinking of a couple of really contrary statements from Butthubers recent posts
1. The mask does not hold back the virus. It is not useful for protection
2. CO2 build up causes the death of people who wear masks.

Virus are very, very small things...but molecules of CO2 are a darn side smaller.


Thank you for the translation. The two facts contradict each other