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Macclesfield relegated to non league today

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  1. monty987

    monty987 Well-Known Member

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    strange that one, lost points etc after the season has finished but Sheff w did not lose points/get relegated after the season had finished.
     
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  2. Nads

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    4 financial breaches in a year. They had their warnings galore.

    The appeal was out in well before end of season and I think, for once, this one is correct.

    Shame for the club and fans of course. Another idiotic owner.
     
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    Sad times for the fans, hope they cope and can rid themselves from the chancers
     
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    Bit gutted. Fairly local team to me and I follow their results. Know a few supporters.
     
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    The lower leagues are in the clarts because of this pandemic.

    There are certainly more clubs that are teetering on the edge of a cliff, waiting for the slightest nudge in the back.

    Sad times
     
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  6. Nads

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    Macclesfield have been in bother for a while, the owners have absolutely ****ed it there. They can’t even blame Covid it’s gone on for a few years.

    Hopefully someone takes over and sorts it out for the fans. Passionate bunch the fans of the small teams around Manchester. Mac, Stockport etc all have decent followings given the local super clubs.
     
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    The support Stockport have is amazing considering. Ground needs doing up but it's probably championship level numbers wise. We went to a game couple of years ago against Salford through my lads school. Very decent atmosphere.
     
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    Being wound up

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54177582
     
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    Another sad day for football. Unfortunately, I fear more clubs are heading this way because of the current situation.

    The premier league teams need to step in and help the lower leagues. Half a million is nothing to the likes of Liverpool, Man City, Man United etc.
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    While I would shy away from something that looked like the franchise system of American sports, there does seem to be a need for some kind of mechanism to protect the smaller clubs. When the Premier League was formed member clubs at the time all voted not to share money with the rest of the professional game. Even clubs that knew they were likely to be relegated. That needs rectifying.
    Another problem that some of the smaller clubs face is the ascendancy of 'protest' clubs like FC United, Dial Square (and I see Sunderland Albion have been reincarnated) or new 'social media' clubs, like Hashtag Utd, that attract fans that might otherwise have attended (and therefore put their money into) pre-existing lower or non-league clubs.
     
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  12. Sandy Camel

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    Just capatilism at work. They don't have the cash to function as a business so go bust. It's ****e like but that's the world we live in.
     
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    Money has always spoken in sport, football particularly, and whilst it's sad to see a team wound-up (especially following Bury a year ago) it's nothing that hasn't happened many times before. Macclesfield have been in dire financial straits for years, this isn't a consequence of a few months of poor cash flow due to Chinese Flu, it's the inevitable end to persistent efforts by several owners to keep a small club with a small fanbase at an unsustainable level. I look forward to seeing them reformed and back playing football, but as Bury's case has shown, like that of Darlington and Rushden & Diamonds and several others besides, it'll be a long time before they're back in the Football League
     
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  14. The Norton Cat

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    This is true. But there is an argument that football clubs (particularly very old ones) are cultural institutions due to their history, their links to the local population, and as foci of civic pride. Admittedly, those functions have been eroded by the increased amounts of money in professional football, particularly at the upper end, but other such institutions are given some degree of protection by their governing bodies or by the government.
     
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    Sorry like but you can't just pick and chose which parts of captilism you like and then expect some sort of socialism brought in to the parts you don't like. Not imo anyways. And footy clubs are businesses first and foremost and it's up to them to make sure they get run like one. If they overspend and don't pay bills they aren't a functioning business and go bust, same as any other business. Don't see why they should be given any form of special treatment tbh.
     
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    Its not picking and choosing between capitalism and socialism though. Its changing the way in which football clubs are viewed. Like I say, there is an argument that clubs should be viewed as cultural institutions. For example, there is a movement in Spain (FASFE) arguing as such. A lot of academic work has been done on the social and cultural role of football clubs. They originated, after all, as true clubs (like they remain in Germany) not as businesses, as they are here, now. Inasmuch as they are businesses, they are subject to the same rules as any other business. Unlike other businesses, people form deep emotional attachments to them and they play an important part in local identity (as that Newcastle MP has argued in her ridiculous campaign about there takeover collapsing). It would involve a major change of attitude amongst owners, fans, and players but in reality, it would only be recognising the way in which football developed in the 19th century and the cultural importance it has developed since then.
     
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    The curse of Sol Campbell
     
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    Yes it is. Personally, I don't see clubs as some sort of cultural institution, I think that's things like a library. I also couldn't care less about any 19th century attitde and what a club used to be as I live in the 21st century and nowadays, clubs are businesses. And as a business, either pay your bills or pack up and get gone.

    So what if people form deep emtional attachments to them, what makes them a special case. You don't have to support a club, it's a choice. There's people out there who have made the choice to have the same kind of emotional attachment to companies like Apple and Sony, two businesses that pay their bills. I really don't get where the idea a football club is something that needs protecting and funding for the community. What about cricket clubs, rugby clubs, any other type of sporting club; should they all get the same treatment? Not in my opinion. If your a charity and your aim is totally about the community, fair enough, then I think it should be. But if your a business get your house in order and live within your menas. Or go bust. It's really simple.
     
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    Football imitating real life here. The poor needing what the rich have down the side of their sofa to survive.

    And not getting it.
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    Like you say, there are plenty of other cultural institutions that are afforded protection one way or another. That's not cherry-picking elements of socialism within a capitalist system- its protecting cultural heritage. Football clubs wouldn't have to be supported by the government in the same way that museums (for example) are but the footballing authorities could offer some support to them.
    Whether you're interested in it or not, football has a deep and rich history which many people are interested in. People don't form the same sort of attachment to Apple or Sony, thats not an accurate analogy. Because of its historical importance, not just in this country but across the world, elements of sporting culture (whether that be clubs, stadia, old programmes, kits) are worth preserving in the same way that any other element of our culture is. And yes, that applies to all sporting institutions. I'm surprised that someone who posts on a football forum doesn't see the cultural, historical, and social significance of football clubs.
     
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