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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    I agree 100%.

    That is the problem though - A lot of people are selfish and only think of themselves and not the bigger picture. "I'm alright jack' syndrome.

    Not preaching here, but that is the way it is.

    Cummings doing what he did and the subsequent backing by the government just made some think wtf, we'll do what we want.

    I can safely say that anyone I have spoken to or met on here isn't like that, but sadly we aren't 100% of society.
     
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  2. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    So you are very comfortable with hypocrisy and do as I say not as I do. It's this kind of tolerance of the unacceptable that has got us into this mess.

    Today it seems that it is OK to lie and to be deceitful and dishonest.

    We have lost our morality as a nation.
     
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  3. Schad

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    Both things are true, really. People are responsible for their own actions, absolutely. But people also do take cues from their peers and people in positions of authority. You need societal buy-in to make it work, and when you have high-profile free riders, that reduces the pressure on others to buy in, too.
     
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  4. Number 1 Jasper

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    Cummings is worse imho . As soon as Boris said Trust in the common sense of the British public I knew there would be trouble . With that statement he tried to get rid of all the blame .

    Gutless self serving bastards the lot of them .
     
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  5. Libby

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    No I'm not comfortable with it, what makes you say that? Pretty sure I said that he was in the wrong.

    I'm just not gonna let the behaviour of the government dictate my morals and how I live my life. Politician in acting like selfish **** shocker? No ****, It's an extremely dishonest and corrupt profession.

    All I'm saying is that as wrong as it is, people who are using it as an excuse to do what they like are also in the wrong. Could argue that that's hypocrisy in itself. I'd say it's utterly pathetic and the behaviour of a stropping child tbh.
     
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  6. ChilcoSaint

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    I agree that people are responsible for their own actions but as well as the lack of leadership, setting a good example, and so on, there is also confusion over exactly what the rules are. A good example is my local village shop, which when masks in shops came into force, had signs up outside the door. Compliance was, for a while, 100%, but then they took the signs down, and now it’s probably down to 75%, which statistically might as well be 0%. No one (except me) seems to bother sanitising their hands and basket handles any more either.

    I think I blame the government’s confusion, changing the goalposts, different rules one day to the next, more than I blame the bad examples set, if I’m honest. The truth is that when the lockdown was first enforced, albeit at least 2 weeks too late, everyone knew what to do and apart from a few identifiable exceptions, everyone complied. Now the rules are no longer following scientific advice, but economic pressure, and the conflict between the two is causing chaos. We should be down to almost zero new cases per day by now but instead it’s been at a few hundred per day since the beginning of June. Whoever you blame, that isn’t good enough.
     
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  7. AberdeenSaint

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    Now Aberdeen have 8 players unavailable for COVID reasons for tomorrows game - which is still on (and live on Sky) at present. Or for the next two games, one of which is away to Celtic. Its so embarrassing. Imagine if Saints had been beaten by Pompey, and the players went out that night on the piss and got COVID and couldn`t play next week. A bit of me wants them never to play for the club again. Another bit of me wants the youngsters to go out and represent the club with enthusiasm and professionalism which many of the first team tossers evidently don`t have.
     
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  8. fran-MLs little camera

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    Don’t think anyone is saying they are comfortable with hypocrisy....more that it happens and shouldn’t be used as an excuse for your own bad behaviour. Cummings should have gone, but the fact he didn’t had no effect on anyone apart from the selfish anyway. Oh goody, look an excuse.
     
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  9. tiggermaster

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    Difficult not to mix politics with this thread when the major point of discussion is Cumming's behaviour and lies, some might say excuses. The underlying point here is surely that he is the political rudder to this government and has been shown to be unable to steer the way his government demanded of it's people. In my opinion decency does matter and he has been shown to be lacking. He doesn't even have the decency to resign when found out. Furthermore he is then backed by his so called boss. STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOUR IN PUBLIC LIFE MATTER.
     
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  11. tomw24

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    It also helps when your population is around 5 million, rather than 65 million.
     
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  12. thereisonlyoneno7

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    ...and when you have a competent PM ;)
     
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  13. Ian Thumwood

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    There is a lot of sense in this post but I think the problem is now going to be dictated by people not acting responsibly. If you social distance and carry out the behavior regarding hygiene, I would have thought that you are a good way to being safe. However, I think that the situation is now comparable with driving. You can be competent but there is no way of ruling out the behavior of idiots. Driving through Chandler's Ford on Friday night, I was amazed to see a pub garden completely full up with no attempt by anyone to social distance. Most of the people would have been in their twenties. Where my sister lives, there has been a spike in the nearest urban centre which was located at MacDonalds. For me, places like that are the obvious ones to avoid. It just seems that people have no sense. When I have gone out bird-watching, I have turned back along the Itchen when I have seen the size of crowds gathered at Compton Lock. I cannot see the logic with which people do this.

    I concur that the government's management of the epidemic has been woeful yet you almost start to wonder that is people cannot behave responsibly, they need to be put under some for of curfew. Disappointing that many pubs are not acting in the nation's interest by reducing the number of people visiting but you wonder at the sense of people who visit crowded pubs. I think that some pubs are behaving really professionally about this ( I could mention a famous pub in the centre of Winchester where everything is being managed extremely efficiently) yet I do not understand publicans enforcing restrictions where they are clearly necessary. Any second wave is going to stem from those people not behaving suitably.
     
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  14. ChilcoSaint

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    I know what you mean, Ian, which is why I said people are responsible for their own actions. This was Bournemouth beach today:
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  15. Saints Fan4Life

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    Was it actually though?

    Saw plenty of these pictures on Friday. I went down on my lunch break, and I can assure you, the reality was VERY different to what the media would have you believe on Friday evening. Obviously I cant speak for today, but there is precedence.
     
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  16. fran-MLs little camera

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    A friend has lived in Worthing for many years and has seen many seasons. She says this is the first time that she has had to give up visiting the front because you can’t get near it. The locals are just staying away.
     
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  17. tomw24

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    I'm not defending Boris but we would still have struggled to contain the virus even if we had copied New Zealand. Because of the vast differences in population size and density it was always going to be a much greater challenge for us than New Zealand.
     
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  18. Negative Creep

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    Tom, you’re talking far too much sense. It doesn’t fit with the constant bashing of the Gov, in particular Boris. Ive said many times, and its true, i dont follow politics or vote, and I wonder if all the people moaning about the Gov would be doing the same no matter who was in charge - that that is the modus operandi. For me, we are a nation who haven’t helped themselves out, who feel entitled, who have gone about and ignored social distancing and helped spread the virus around, not washed hands etc.

    And you are quite right about New Zealand, I think London has a much larger population in a fraction of the size.

    Part of the UKs issue is its many cities, that are over populated and easy for the virus to spread. We are also one of the fattest countries in the World, certainly in Europe, and this is a major factor in those who have died.

    I agree it didn’t help when Cummings went up North, but as Fran and others have pointed out, the people who used that as an excuse would have done it anyway and gone out spreading the virus. Much the same as vast swathes of protesters for BLM (not me, the other one) had nothing to do with supporting the movement, they just wanted to riot, and that movement gave them what they wanted. Those protests in themselves did more, by irony also, spread the virus around the BAME community who are more at risk. Now I am not saying the cause is invalid or anything, far from it, but again 10’s of thousands of people protesting, mixing closely each day, and we wonder why our numbers are going up again.

    Same with the morons going to the beach, and in 2-3 weeks the numbers will start going up again.

    The common denominator is people, not the Gov, that can take responsibility and not do these things. I wouldn’t mind so much if the water was like Barbados, but its ****ing freezing :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    <laugh>

    sadly the courts have said I’m not allowed anywhere near 1.5m from Miss Minogue.
     
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