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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. bobmid

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    All you did is complain all night!
     
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    <laugh> I'm hoping Bob will indeed avoid that one!

    Edit - too late
     
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  3. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Yeah - I think we're broadly on the same page. I know it's been linked to a few times on this thread, but have you seen this video?


    Doesn't ignore the facts, as you say, but looks at wider societal determinants (beyond race alone) and includes constructive solutions.
     
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    More to do with the fact that I'm past 50 and have very diddy legs
     
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    I do that with whoever I'm on a night out with to be fair
     
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    Assumption only, but going on local knowledge I'd think that once you can wean one generation away from knife crime then subsequent generations will not see the "glamour" behind such lifestyles and would be less likely to follow in this path. Continued work by such parties as VRU are essential though.

    As for the geographical question, I think it may be to do with funding. As a devolved nation, the Scottish Government could allocate funds to the VRU without oversight from Westminster.
     
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    Breaking the cycle makes sense

    Interesting that it hasn't been tried in London given the power that the Mayor has. Maybe the issue is the inability to get common ground amongst the many boroughs
     
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    Our Stacey or Holly Willoughby....?
     
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    I would say there are constructive solutions being implemented. The police force of today is far different from the police of the 70,s and 80’s. To say they (the police) are still institutionally racist is again in my opinion, wrong. Anyone who grew up in those years would be a liar if they wouldn’t admit there was a problem with racist, violent police officers......they have now mostly been weeded out and a new generation have been recruited.
    Police, as well as prison officers, ambulance staff, magistrates and youth workers are also going into schools to tell kids about the perils and dangers of knife crime at an early age....to show them, and partly to shock them, about what they can expect if they carry a knife.
    I truly believe efforts are being made...real efforts.....it just has to continue and the community has to admit to its problems instead of blaming others.
     
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    Great - that was like pulling teeth. So clearly you understand that it's perfectly possible to support a movement without agreeing with every single policy.

    I don't think one tweet from one twitter account constitutes the position of a whole movement; especially when it's not listed on any website. Either way that's a moot point as I have zero problem with the tweet you linked to, investing in the services they list in that tweet is absolutely the right strategy. So yeah, I was hedging in case you were going to link to a policy I agree with?
     
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    Short straw wouldnt bother me
     
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    I don't doubt that things are getting better and that some solutions are being implemented. I think institutional racism is still a challenge though - and to be very clear, that is often the structure of the police force itself rather than any individual within that structure. If you look at the arrest rates for drug use and the usage figures you'll see what I mean - BAME Londoners in totality are twice as likely as Caucasian individuals to be arrested for posession of cannabis, despite illict use of cannabis being roughly the same rate between those two populations. (NHS Digital data for the usage). That's not going to be because an individual officer wants to go out and arrest BAME individuals for cannabis, but will be linked to stop and search rates being so much higher in certain populations etc.
     
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    Kiwi posted this on the twitter thread - it probably sits better here. Yes, he may be talking about the US, but some of the points he raises are just as relevent on this side of the pond...

     
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    On the ‘Cannabis’ issue, a good start would be to legalise it, along with all drugs. Thus creating vast profits for funding of drug education and other projects without having to ‘defund’ the police. It would also free up police time, stop many youths being convicted and acquiring a police record that may effect their whole lives.
    It’s a war that can never be won.....until a government is brave enough to admit that we are always gonna lose
     
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    Now that's an issue where I definitely do sit on the fence. Completely see both sides, and think there are logical arguments for and against legalisation. Not quite sure what would be the most net beneficial.
     
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    As Peter says.......;)
     
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    you must be fast if you are going to give him a head start
     
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    what was the question again
     
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    Interesting read I have one important question....

    who is our Stacy?
     
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    Holly all day, still no idea who the other is
     
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