It's a good philosophy in theory, but from my experience of these discussions, quite often, people's comments are informed by soundbites, and even then only those that confirm their initial view. Once those have been opposed, it quickly falls back to assumptions and comments on the personalities rather than the issues.
Even someone living there would only be able to base it on their own personal situation, unless they looked into it more widely, so you don't have to physically be in a place to get an understanding, in fact relying on that alone would limit your understanding. Fortunately, we now all have a wealth of data and information available at our finger tips. Unfortunately, you need the ability to think critically and with an open mind to sift through it.
Maybe someone should start a politics page, although this page is currently called politics, the name changes at the whim of Mighty the millwall lad who changes the name on a whim.
I enjoy reading both sides of an argument. I don't sit on the same side of the fence as you, Milky or JLA but when you make a point I do look it up. When you just get a few pages of posters having a slinging match it is a waste of everyone's time.
How refreshing somebody who has heard of modern communication systems. - that was directed at some others I haven't looked at Trumps policies in relation to how they help one societal group compared to another but from what I have read it does appear as though there is an extreme polarisation in society. I'm not sure it this is a function of his policies or if it is as a result of the views of the moguls who control the press but to find what was called "middle ground" is an ever diminishing commodity.
At the risk of sounding confrontational, which is not my aim, can I suggest you have a look at them, and the outcomes, before simply stating that it's all his fault? None of which addresses the actual topic, which was more about so called 'white privilege'.
Not at all confrontational can you point me at a reference so I don't waste time trawling. I'm happy to gain information I just can't promise I will be a Trump supporter as a result, but you never know. Edit By the way what did I say apart from he is responsible as President for what happens in the USA.
Again, not wanting to sound evasive, but I'd need to rummage to find them now, and I also think it's better to do your won digging, rather than relying on selective bits from me. There's plenty out there in the media that disputes the claims I made. I'm actually far more interested in the so called 'white privilege' issues though.
No worries I'll look up Trumps policies. White privilege is more ruling class privilege, perhaps I'm a Marxist at heart
Where I get a bit frustrated is that I think most people agree with measures designed to create a level playing field and an inclusive and equal society, and if discussions and measures were progressed on that basis, I believe we'd get there more swiftly. I see statements about so called 'white privilege' as divisive and racist, and they obstruct rather than support equality.
And there are plenty that criticise, without considering how it reached the point that it has, or offering an alternative solution. Too often, uncomfortable discussions get shut down for what are flimsy reasons, or people stick dogmatically to one position, rather than being open to other ideas or wider views that could in fact work better. All the time that continues, some people continue to live in misery, and they, rather than our personal egos should be the focus.
What bugs me, is if your not prepared to cow down to a racist, Marxist movement, they call you a racist.
There isn't a non violent, non Marxist, racial equality option, and that is the problem, what the world would give for another Gandi.
I think those movements have done more to damage the marxist cause and racial equality than any opposition ever could. I've no idea how it would work in practice, but I'd like to see the reduction, if not the end of all party politics, and a restructure that removed some of the control of the civil service and the short termism of the current political process, where politicians priorities are based on what will keep them in their seat and what the party line is, rather than being truly representative of the people. EDIT and don't get me started on the media's and higher educations responsibility for the **** show.
Since there are a few new participants here, I will try again. in this context, “white privilege” is not about wealth or being born with a silver spoon in one’s mouth. For those who are willing to read and learn: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.scotsman.com/news/world/what-white-privilege-origins-and-definition-term-used-amid-black-lives-matter-debate-and-why-its-misunderstood-2884982%3Famp
I've had a quick read of that, and not all the way through, but I will take the time to do that later, but as you were good enough to post it, I thought I'd share my initial 'off the top of my head' reaction. It starts with reference to what led to the current situation, and fails to mention that he did not die because he was targeted for being black, he was long term recidivist with apparently a lethal amount of self administered drugs in his system that possibly killed him, that was 'targeted' for committing yet another crime. If the rest is read in that context, it doesn't look very robust as far as arguments go. The list of questions, which do not appear to be based on any reasonable scientific approach, could equally apply to many other members of society. It also fails to flag up the number of whites killed that don't get the media attention. The situation in America is very different to here in the UK in any event, and US Courts appear to base justice on how much you can spend on a lawyer, which puts those protests and the 'equality' issue into context. You may well argue I'm viewing it with a degree of confirmation bias, and you may well be right, but I'll be interested to your response to my initial comments, so I can keep that in mind when I read it in more detail.
Shocking, there is no way the son of a Black Kenyan could ever make president of the USA is there. Ow hang on.
