I fail to see what's ironic about your reply to Shaks emoji. I think you're trying to deflect away from the fact you got it wrong by inventing a fabricated cheap and fake reason cos you got caught out. .
Thank you Milky for trying to explain my action. You are mostly correct. I have recognized that trying to explain racism to those that seem to approve of it is futile. I hoped to reach those who were willing to learn about what is happening worldwide currently. I hope some have learned a bit. I asked the question to give those that believe in their convictions and had the courage to do so to come forward. No one has. Two or three came forward to state they weren’t part of that group. So we can all draw our own conclusions from that. I continue to be amazed by the outright racism expressed openly on this thread. Do the writers even realize that they are doing so when they say “look at failed Africa, that explains the plight of black people all over the world?” One couldn’t make it up.
No regrets, do you regret not answering one way or the other? What was ridiculous about it? I was enjoying the twists and turns of the Championship the last few days and a warm sunny weekend here. As the song goes “ We are the Champions, no time for losers...”
Reply “look at failed Africa, that explains the plight of black people all over the world?” Where does it say that? Come on! You're trying to educate me about racism? What experience do you have? I don't need to prove anything to you, you know nothing about me. Your question was insulting but you don't realise that, which is disturbing. Both you and Milky Boy have drawn racist undertones from my post that are not there. I see you using the phrase false equivalences, well I'll give you a better one, subconscious bias. Mind you don't fall off your high horse. You won't answer this either, just like you haven't answered any question I've asked.
It appears you have taken my post out of context. I did not aim it at you personally at all. I grew up in a totally racist country with racism imbedded into the fabric of the country. I live in a country where racism is part of the national narrative and standout attribute of our president. If you have an issue with something I have written then challenge it. Making it personal just communicates that you have no argument to make about the point presented. And no, I am not trying to educate you about racism, I was attempting to explain what #WhitePrivilege and #BlackLivesMatter actually mean, not what others have decided they mean. Anything else you would like me to answer?
So those that never answered the question are questionable? I’ve seen and experienced racism since I was ten years old, I’ve been beat up for having a black mate, I’ve been mugged and beat up for being white , I’ve seen extreme racism from both sides and the **** that qualifies for racism today is nothing to get worked up about but you accuse posters on here of racism because they say it as it is. BLM and Antifa have put race relations back twenty years at least with their selective wrongs against them, guess what many white people are being wronged and nobody seems to care.
Can I challenge most of what you say? You live in a democracy so you voted for your President. You may not have done but that is the price you pay for the democratic system. Give me a specific current example of your totally racist country? Give me a specific example of Trump's racism? Just growing up in a country is not experience. I was in South Central in 1992 two weeks after the riots but I have absolutely no idea what the people who rioted were feeling, I just saw the aftermath. What has Black Lives Matter got to do with you? Why do you feel the need to educate anyone? I know Black Lives Matter because all lives matter. You've made it about colour of skin, I don't care what colour a person's skin is. You get w**kers black and white. There is no white privilege, there is class privilege. If you're rich you can get what you want, you can't if you're poor. It's not about race. You see what I post but either don't read it or just look through it for anything you can pick on. I read your replies as you can see. I'm not looking for the last word, I just want to finish here because we are poles apart on this and never the twain shall meet but you're Leeds and so will always have my respect.
I said it was fine for you to ask the question. Actually I was giving you the opportunity to clarify your position. Some people might feel concerned that their post could be construed in the manner I or Jonny interpreted it. But your position is it’s . other people’s bias. If you want to discuss the economic impact of slavery and imperialism on African countries or the unique challenges of agriculture in sub Saharan regions or how their natural resources may continue to be ripped off by western international business then do that. If you want to look at corruption in african countries, and why and how it’s endemic then do so. You did post an article link and made some further comments in a follow up post - I was pointing out the first impression given by your original post. Here’s an article that gives one perspective on the subject https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/28/why-africa-so-poor-google
seems everyone is an antifa expert these days. How many had heard of them before donny tango started looking for a scapegoat? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...lence-protests-its-not-antifa/?outputType=amp
Simple question, simple answer. If you are going to treat/evaluate people based on color, that is racism, it matters not what color they are. In white dominated societies it is often non-whites who are discriminated against and in non-white societies it is often the whites who are discriminated against. It doesn't matter, it is still racism. By definition, Lots like giving it large but shy away from the question, why? #BlackLivesMatter is about cops killing black people with apparent immunity and lack of accountability. I know some prefer to ignore the narrative and prefer to make something else up but that's what it is about. Simples.
Answers: 1. Feel free to challenge anything, I will do my best to respond. 2. You have misquoted me/misapplied my comment "totally racist country?" Since you included it in a paragraph about the USA. I applied that phrase to South Africa. 3. Trump is a racist - "Mexico doesn't send us their finest, they are murderers, rapists, etc." In his business, they were fined many times for having treated potential black renters differently to white renters. Feel free to do an online search on "Trump and Racism." 4. Black Lives Matter has to do with everyone in the society in which this is an issue. It impacts on everyone's life. Happening right here, right now, obviously. "All Lives Matter" is either ignorant or a deliberate attempt to denigrate what it's all about. Each can decide one's own position. 5. "White privilege" is not about wealth. I have explained it on this thread already. Do an online search if you don't accept my explanation. We have a common bond in the team we support and I continual try to respect all who are on here. I am happy to engage and do so without name calling or use of labels. I accept we have differences of opinion, but let's at least discuss off of the same facts. MOT as always!
Its not so much about the history, but the legacy of the history. Its the ongoing damage that is being done. The statue issue, along with the confederate (losers) flag, is significantly less of an issue in the UK than it is in the US. A fresh analogy is imagine if Germany allowed for the open display of the swastika and the effect that would have on the descendants of those that suffered under the Nazis?
So jonny, why is 'all lives matter' not relative The case in matter is police brutality. The case in question should be against the cops, not every non black. BTW, my daughter is a bit annoyed for being taunted that she is so white. I told her we are white and proud. And do not call me racist for that.
Maybe doing your homework would help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastikahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Este, thanks for the questions mate, and more importantly the opportunity to engage, here are my answers: 1) Blacks in the USA are disproportionately killed by police officers, usually white, often with many gunshots to the back, that is why the slogan is Black Lives Matter and not "all lives matter." It is not that all lives don't matter, it is that cop killers or black people seem to get off as if black lives don't matter in the USA. 2) Police brutality - yes it is about that, but its driven by the lack of consequence when the victim is black in the USA. 3) The case in question is not against cops per se but against the lack of accountability in law enforcement, 4) I'm sorry for your daughter's experience, is that in Spain? 5) Not saying one should not be proud of who they are but that is not a license to dismiss the issues of others. It is remarkable how many of the protesters around the world have been white, brown, Asian and Hispanic (particularly in the USA). That being said, being proud of being white should not include the display of justifiably hateful symbols to others.
I am very aware of the history of the swastika, but you can thank the Nazis for changing the narrative of that symbol forever.
See your point but a historic symbol for many people should just not be erased because a few abused it. Check out the ilkley swastika, from yorkshire. Hiding these symbols will not make them go away and it should not. As for my kids we just laugh, we are white and proud.
