Eight per cent of fans ‘wouldn’t watch team containing gay player’

I would think football clubs would be better served at educating players to have a defender on each post at corners.

 

Of course it should be effective.
I’m not a designer of educational sessions, I pay people to do that for me, but you still haven’t given any reason not to do it.

 

I didnt say not to do it if an effective course content can be found beyond a series of statements of the obvious.

 

What evidence do you have that football employees treat homosexuals badly that such a course is warranted?

 

**** off Pete, you bigoted ****.

I'm bi. I've never brought it up on here because it didn't need bringing up. But if I met you and you spewed this bigoted **** to me, I don't give a ****, I'd let you know how much of a **** you are being.

 

You’re more intelligent than this Peter, so there must be some other reason you’re not comfortable with the notion of educating people in appropriate behaviour and unconscious bias.
No one, not the footballer who asked for it, nor me that supported the idea, suggested that all footballers should be given ineffective education. That, again, would be stupid and you’re not.
So what would be wrong in using an educational provider with good feedback from other users, measurable outcomes and a good track record?
Why wouldn’t you?

And don’t come back and try and ask me to write a spec to procure suitable educational sessions, you know full well that is possible and good education can be brought in...so...why not?!

 

Mate - your sexuality is not a factor in this debate... I’m married with children.
This is about us ALL (Peter included) changing our views to reflect our modern society.

In my office of 30 people, there are about 3 straight - we all get on.... We are are all friends...
Peter times have changed.... accept it

 

I think you are mixing up training that is obviously useful with training that nobody can provide evidence of being useful.
Re-education camps have been tried in communist Russia and communist China. If anything the people rebel against the ridiculous idea.
Do you want me to say "Let's have a go with this education idea. What can possibly go wrong?"
I would rather say: "Come up with a course outline. Until then it is just a dream." Don't write a spec if you can't or you dont want to. Ask somebody else to write a course outline.
It's similar to the ideas on higher education. Only 10% of the population of university age used to go to university. Most of them did very well after university. Some "genius" thought that meant that things would be even better if 50% went to university. They combined it with universities getting their income from courses by fees paid by the pupils and these pupils running up vast debts to pay for their fees and living expenses. The universities don't care about the quality of their courses just how much fees they can generate. The lack of a Grammar school education combined with a useless degree results in many people taking low paid/low prospects employment and burdened by debts to be paid if they ever manage to increase their pay substantially. Who would have thought that?

 

There’s some jumping to extremes here.

Once again tolerance/acceptance is NOT the same as education.

This ‘education’ would not be about changing people’s opinions, it’s about allowing people to better understand a world they aren’t in.

For example, it might help people know how to respond when they ask what my wife’s name is and I reply with a man’s. I’m not offended in the first place they have asked that question, but it makes a lot of people uncomfortable when I answer it truthfully purely because they are worried they’ve offended me.

Most of the people I know have been wonderful about me being gay, do I think they would better understand it if they heard more about it? Yes. Do I think that would help us all? Yes.

It’s about creating an environment better equipped for helping people who may be going through a tough time.

 

Listen to Drew.
He knows what he’s talking about

 

Should this information provision be made compulsory?

 

Yep

 

I listen to everybody. Those who know what they are talking about and those who don't.

 

How will you deal with those people whose religion thinks that homosexuality is a sin? What takes precedence? Sexuality or religion?

 

Neither takes precedence.
If someone who thought homosexuality was a sin voiced that view at work, or someone voiced the view that a particular religion was a sin, and they behaved in a way that wasn’t accepting of a diverse workforce then I’d have a disciplinary investigation.
If the behaviour was serious enough I’d sack them.

You still haven’t given a reason to not run awareness education though, can you answer that first?

 

I've given you reasons numerous times. What is the evidence that "awareness education" is needed? Who needs to be made aware of homosexuality? What would the course consist of to avoid the course not being subject to ridicule? What would be said on these courses? "Be careful about assuming people are homosexual"?.Would they explain the different lifestyles that homosexuals have? Would there be a clamour for explaining the different lifestyles that heterosexuals have? Personally I assume that the varied lifestyles would be the same.

 

What if they said that their religion thought that homosexuality was a sin and their religious views were not compatible with going on an homosexuality course?

 

Why is anyone's religion more important than other people's freedoms?

If people hate me for being gay that's absolutely their right, as long as it doesn't affect my life or rights.

Education should not just be aimed at LGBT rights, but all differences in people. Disability, sex, race etc etc.

 

‘Homosexuality course’
Grow up Peter

 

What freedoms?