I'll happily back up anything and everything I say. What I won't do is continually have to correct your incessant misquotes and lies. You've backed yourself into a corner of accused people of being racists if they don't accept everything that you, and BLM, say. You're so blinkered it's laughable and I've no intention of being drawn into your endless tedious cut & paste arguments. That's all I have to say, other people use the forum.
I didn't accuse you of being racist, for what it's worth. I pointed out the facts: You haven't agreed with a single specific instance of racism raised in relation to the BLM protests, you've said you agree with their aim of combating racism, but spend all of your time denigrating the idea of protesting, the methods, and the words used because they aren't what you would do. You use the same lines about black criminality used by the American far right to justify their ongoing and virulent racism. Those are not a matter of opinion, they are what you have said on here. If that makes you uncomfortable, that's not my problem, it's yours.
You can **** off. Sick to death of reading the **** you come out with whereby you're whiter than white and know everything about everything and you're opinion is oh so superior to every one else's. Call me a ****ing racist just because I don't see the point in pulling down statues you ignorant ****ing prick.
Where did I do that? Stop crying you fanny. The snowflake brigade strikes again, can't handle disagreement so they scream like bairns.
Pot, kettle, black there lad. And I'm no snowflake mate, I'll call a black person a racist if they are, I'll call a white person a racist as well. I'll call asian grooming gangs a bunch of racist sex offenders as all and am firmly of the opinion that any ****er not from these shores that commits serious offences gets ****ed off back to wherever they've come from. Snowflakes cry about events from hundreds of years ago and have some sort of fake white guilt trip about it all. After all, I can't remember seeing many white folk giving a **** about police brutality last year, or the year before, or before that tbh. Where were you when Rodney King was getting the **** kicked out of him, what ****ing movement were you joining then? Ah that's right, you weren't as the ****ing bandwagon hadn't turned up back then, had to wait a few years for it to show up and you get on board.
Slavery was a ****ing blight on our nation and eulogising people who made their livelihood from trading slaves is not 'fake white guilt', it's people not wanting that **** on a plinth because he could afford to commission one off the back of kidnapping and selling 80,000+ slaves. What exactly is wrong with that? You just can't seem to grasp that there is a group of white people who genuinely don't like racism, believe that it still exists in society today, and think that it's something worth marching about.
Kitty, man . . . . listen to what people are saying ! Some of your contributions can be, and have been, valuable and appreciated, but there's not just one saying the same thing about you. I don't want you to 'go' or to be alienated, but please accept what others say, even if it doesn't conform to your ideals
The statue of Colston wasn't put up to celebrate the fact he was a slaver you mentalist so no-one is eulogising him for that. It was put up for his philanthropy, which gives a more nuanced view of the bloke than 'evil, white slaver'. How about leaving him in place and hoying up a statue of William Wilberforce next to him. Open up a discussion about what people found acceptable in their own times and how times have changed. And in some cases improved and in others got worse. Alternatively, you could just wave a placard around for a bit and shout at a statue while pulling it down as I'm sure that's a much better mechanism of communication. And slavery has been a blight in human history for all of human history. The modern world is probably the first time that slavery is pretty much illegal everywhere and it was the Europeans and the States that led the way with abolishing it 200 years ago. By all means slag off those who made their money through it but balance that out with giving the countries who banned it some sort of credit. I'm proud of the fact I can look at the history of England and say it decided the old slavery thing was proper **** and set about dismantling it. And even though slavery is for all intents illegal now, it still goes on. Estimated 40 million around the globe in some form of slavery, most of which is in Africa and Asia. And I haven't heard one mention of anyone liberating these poor ****ers. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/feb/25/modern-slavery-trafficking-persons-one-in-200
I don't live in Bristol and only ever go for football and music. The statue is of so little consequence that I wouldn't care if they cut its head off and replaced it with Jebediah Springfield, but we live in a democracy and have to live by the will of the people, as with Brexit. There are half a million people in Bristol and the last petition didn't reach 8,000 in the whole of the UK. All of the people that are now up in arms couldn't be bothered to get involved then so they have to accept democracy now ... isn't that the whole point of the protest? The alternative is mob rule and anarchy, which I'd hoped we'd moved on from.
I just don't get how tearing down a statue of a bloke who made his money from slavery is going to have any impact on anyone who is already racist. It's not like the next meeting of the neo-nazi society is going to be thinking that it's ideology is somewhat amiss due to a bronze of Colston taking a dip. As I've said, I'd rather it was left and used as a springboard for a wider discussion, but it looks like teacher has decided that it needs to locked away in the naughty cupboard.
Just grow up and laugh at the dead old fart just as I laughed when Thatcher died and opened a very expensive bottle of vintage champagne that I'd saved. Me and Mrs Smug were in a fabulous Tuscan farmhouse that a couple of wealthy gay architects had loaned us, 6 weeks partying. I did the same with Jimmy Hill when we were relegated at Everton, that night I was once telling a mate about it. "I put aside 3 bottles of beer. One for when Bristol were relegated, one for Coventry and one for when Hill died." "Bitter?" he asked. "No, it was Stella"
I wonder if any BLM Knee benders will bother to read this article from the Telegraph. "On a muggy night in August 2016, three laughing Dallas police officers pinned 32-year-old Tony Timpa to the ground, pushed his face into the grass, placed a knee on his back and held him there for 14 minutes until he was dead. The parallels with the appalling killing of George Floyd are disturbing and uncanny. Like Floyd, Timpa was unarmed, pleaded for his life, repeatedly called for help and begged policemen to stop. But both cases do differ in one significant respect; Tony Timpa was white. The cases and the wildly differing public and political reactions to them expose some disturbing and inconvenient truths for the ascendant Black Lives Matter movement and for society as whole. Timpa’s only crime was calling the police officers (one of whom was black) for help as a result of taking illegal drugs after coming off his medication for depression and schizophrenia. Floyd on the other hand had been a criminal who, despite being killed during an extended stretch of apparent probity, had served several long stints in prison for violent crimes including breaking into a pregnant woman’s home in the middle of the night and pressing a loaded gun into her belly. Yet Floyd has been deified by politicians and media outlets across the world while Timpa - whose killers have never faced the justice awaiting Floyd’s - is unknown. Why? It would be both foolish and offensive not to acknowledge the horrendous catalogue of suffering and injustice endured by black Americans like Floyd at the hands of US police. But the death of Timpa and the thousands of other Americans of all colours who have died as a result of police brutality exposes the inflammatory Black Lives Matter narrative of a racist police force specifically killing black people as a myth. Between 2015 and 2019 black people accounted for 26.4 per cent of all those killed by US police while almost double that figure, 50.3 per cent, were white. Equally, while black Americans account for just 12 per cent of the population they are responsible for 52.5 per cent of all murders, with the vast majority of victims also being black. In London, despite comprising just 13 per cent of the population, almost half of all murder suspects and victims are also black. And of the 163 people killed in British police custody in the past 10 years, just 13 were black. Every death inflicted by the police is a tragedy. But does the fact that white people are still 25 per cent more likely to die in British police custody than black people really represent the “pandemic” of black people being killed “every day” that BLM and, on occasion, the BBC and broadcasters, have parroted since Floyd’s death? Why then, if black lives really do matter, is BLM perpetuating a false narrative that black people exist at the mercy of homicidal white persecution, and why are they not exposing the reality that the biggest killer of black people is very often our own community? Where is their outrage at the scores of young black adults killed by other young black adults on the streets of London and Chicago? And why are BLM abetted in their campaign of misinformation and incitement by an irresponsible mainstream media and a supine political class? The answer is clear. It is because BLM feeds into the same wretched culture of victimhood and oppression that has been cynically championed by the left for decades. By continually caricaturing black people as perpetual victims of systemic white racism it infantilises them by depicting us as stupid, helpless and impotent cultural punchbags, forever crushed beneath externalised discriminatory forces beyond our control. It is a grotesque form of reanimated cultural imperialism that envisages a world in which every black action can only ever be a reaction to white provocation, as if we were little more than flaccid puppet minstrels forever tied to the string of white mastermind omnipotence. In so doing, black people are absolved of our need to take responsibility for our own actions and futures and must instead await salvation by accepting that our own freedom and empowerment are not ours to claim but a white establishment’s to give. Oddly, it is a cult enthusiastically energised by successful black personalities, with the likes of John Boyega, Afua Hirsch and Stormzy absurdly claiming that the society in which they gained their own success is somehow systemically inclined to withhold it from all their black peers. And this cult is founded on a toxic crucible: slavery. Martin Luther King talked of freedom far more than he talked of slavery. Yet now the civil rights lexicon has been reversed and slavery is now the historical deadweight from which BLM and its liberal enablers refuse to let black people escape. Yes, the Atlantic slave trade was a horrendous evil. But to claim that a 400-year-old event that adapted barbarous Arab and African practices that had already been in place for thousands of years is responsible for unilaterally framing the life choices and experiences of black people today is as preposterous as suggesting that cruise ship bookings are still hampered by the Titanic. It is also a claim that might attain more integrity were it accompanied by even a scintilla of concern for the estimated 40 million people worldwide trapped in slavery today. BLM’s twisted narratives have been underscored by a liberal establishment and mainstream media that deploys identity politics to objectify and homogenise black people. In so doing it offensively lumps all black people into a vast cultural tick-box in which, by magical virtue of our pigmentation, we have all been gifted with the telepathic ability to think, eat, act and talk exactly the same way. Yet by ignorantly conflating the richness and diversity of the black experience into a single diminished entity, patronising, reductionist terms like the black and dreaded BAME “community” invariably flow and perpetuate an embattled sense of “otherness” that merely succeeds in further separating and marginalising black people from mainstream society. And, like all good liberal pogroms, this homogenisation is specifically designed to disenfranchise individuality, sever the links between black people and our brothers and sisters in other racial groups and, most importantly, to achieve the hallowed liberal goal of glorifying difference. And glorifying difference is exactly what BLM and the Marxist junta it seeks to establish is all about. True integration - where character matters more than colour and George Floyd could just as easily have become a cardiologist as a criminal - was the utopian vision on which Martin Luther King based his dream, and it should be the goal of all mature Western democracies. But celebrating difference is intolerable to a guilt-ridden liberal elite groggy on the opiate of multiculturalism. Instead it embraced the tyranny of diversity to obscure integration and emphasise what divides us rather than what unites us. We now see this tyranny being prosecuted in a McCarthyan culture war that seeks to expunge white post-imperialist liberal guilt and self-loathing by unilaterally imposing its revisionist, puritanical values on society and toppling all ideological dissenters from Gone With the Wind to historical statues. But make no mistake, this naïve identinarian purge could not just incite the odious far right but sow enough resentment and division to set back race relations by years. Racism is real and horrific and must be rooted out wherever it is found. But the UK, and England in particular, has offered sanctuary and prosperity to generations of immigrants who in turn have helped to transform it into one of the most welcoming and inclusive societies in the world. Moreover the way to defeat racism is to not through the divisive rhetoric and crass militancy of a movement that seeks to commoditise black suffering to perpetuate the divisive, defeatist myth of white privilege. The answer is for black people not to define ourselves by how others may define us but to realise that we and we alone are the key to empowering our lives and claiming the freedom that is everyone’s right. Yes, of course the lives of George Floyd and all black people matter. But so too did the life of Tony Timpa. And the life of the innocent unborn black baby Floyd threatened to execute in its mother’s womb. Until black people take responsibility for their role in ending and oppressing the lives of other black people and until the regressive liberal elite realises that sowing division and resentment will lead to genuine systemic inequality, then black lives will only continue to matter on the rare occasions when white people take them."
The photo could just as easily be George Floyd who was also resisting arrest. As an ex-bouncer I know how hard it can be to subdue someone and how tense it can be when you relax your grip. Someone who was furious before you pinned them to the ground isn't likely to be suddenly reasonable when you release them and you don't need to be in security to know that, it's basic common sense. Mississippi Man In Custody after Fatal Shooting Of 8 People, Including Sheriff's Deputy. A Mississippi man was taken into custody on Sunday, suspected of fatally shooting eight people. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/lincoln-county-ms-deaths
The Premier League, English Football League and Professional Footballers' Association have announced a new scheme to increase the number of black, Asian and minority ethnic coaches. The aim is to help BAME players move into full-time coaching roles in the professional game. So here we go again on the BBC. Sterling and Deeney moaning about the lack of black managers and backing the scheme to bring in more. "It is vital that there are no barriers to entry to the pipelines for employment in coaching," What barriers are there, stop messing about and tell everyone about the barriers and who's putting them up ... ... have some balls, speak your mind and end this 'oh it's systemic' shyte https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/53221680
They won't mate as it goes against the narrative. Also of note is that the writer is African American.
I have? I said my part, in response to personal attacks. How about be consistent and when somebody wades in screaming like a bairn telling me to **** off etc and lashing out in frustration, you moderate them as well as the person who doesn't share your views? The fact that I disagree with the group seems to be the only reason why some people go on and on. I've not called anyone a racist (quite deliberately) but I've been accused of racism myself a number of times. I have answered questions and taken the same tone as the people asking them. I mean how can you read that Sandy Camel post and think I'm the one who needs a public admonishing? He just randomly screamed ****e at me
