Well I think in light of Pandemic the far left and far right should be ashamed of themselves for putting lives at risk because they think their opinion is more important. It should have been put on ice giving time to organise well thought out protests while liaising with police for the safety of everybody. Now that would be true equality imo.
Do not feed the left loon troll mate, he ****s himself into a frenzy when he gets a notification just like his alter ego, sad.
"Black Lives Matter" is or should be undeniable. I'm generally left leaning without ever being too extreme but the Black Lives Matter movement has left me a little adrift. I agree with much of what they say, but just as much of it seems counter productive. What the movement stands for below the topline message; anti-police, anti-prison, anti-****ing-capitalism, leaves me cold. The hypocrisy of the movement and those involved, whether it's racism fought seemingly with racism and abuse online or the likes of Anthony Joshua (links to middle east blood money, black supremacist comments of the past) and Lewis Hamilton (drives for Mercedes, models for Hugo Boss, pays tax in Monaco), leaves me cold. And just the general behaviour of the movement, the destruction, the vulgarity of the debate, the putting down of anyone who questions it on any level, well it leaves me cold. "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" a TV programme notorious for using black face to point out how **** blackface is. It's been ****ing pulled. They have pulled a satire which criticises blackface. That's just ****ing mental cancel culture. Someone with a brain in their head needs to come along and start a movement that helps the black community without alienating the white community. Without trying to tear down the very fabric of society. In politics you win by ****ing pragmatism and bipartisanship, not through extremism and having the loudest, rudest voice. The fact that reasonable people can't question the movement because of that topline message which belies the movement's crazier ambitions is an absolutely ****ing mental sign of the times. I think it might be the cleverest, most effective and most sinister communications campaign I have come across. And I work in ****ing advertising. If Black Lives Matter stood for Black Lives Mattering I'd be 100% behind it. The other **** I just cannot get behind. I'd love to see a survey of those protesting and see how many of them think they're protesting for equality and investment in opportunities for impoverished areas and how many of them realise they're lobbying to destroy capitalism. This was a bit of a brain-dump. It might be nonsense, forgive me if it is. I'm tired, frustrated and more than a little jaded/fatigued with modern life. Rant over.
There aren't many lengthy posts in which you agree with everything but I do here, unless I've missed something. This apparently 'systemically racist' country send millions in aid, raised through taking the working classes, to 'black' countries. Events like Band Aid saw millions of people donate millions, of their own money and organise events of their own to raise more money. To have it thrown back in our faces, and told we're part of the problem, is sickening tbh. 'Silence isn't violence' you imbeciles, it's people trying to get through life and quietly care for people around them. Not everything is achieved with megaphones and shouting in the street. A cynic might ask why, with all the incredibly rich black performers, it was a daft ****e Irish bloke who had to kick things off.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund "We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy..."
I've seen plenty of your posts before on both boards to make a pretty good guess at your opinions on anything around race. It ain't the supposed snowflakes who are creating threads moaning about how oppressed they feel. Cry me a ****ing river lads just because a man takes a knee you have lads pure boiling over. It's honestly lovely to see.
1. Systemic racism is apparent in many forms and the evidence that supports is clear eg 1 in 9 'white' in the USA are born into poverty, whereas for indigenous Americans and black: 1 in 5 2. Aid money is frequently conditional in what is termed bi-lateral aid. In other words we get something back, it could be employment in the foreign land or to having buy and use materials, equipment etc from the 'donating' nation. There are numerous cases where the 'donating' nation benefits more. We need to be careful about the notion we are generously sharing our wealth and giving poorer nations our money via aid. In the case of famine, we're getting better at responding to this horror. Most of the work on the ground is done by UN staffers working with govt organisations of those foreign places, donations help and in the case of Band Aid (circa 1984) a decent amount of cash was raised and (I think I'm right in this) in this case projects to reduce extreme poverty were put in place which is great. People responded and so they should have done at the time given the images on the news. 'Silence is violence'... is something you keep on repeating. No one is accusing you, or anyone else for that matter, of racism because they say nowt Such as the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950's/60's in America? I think the 'Irish Bloke' did little more than head up a mediocre band, though there can be little doubt he was sincere. Not sure why you're discussing foreign aids and donations
"Not sure why you're discussing foreign aids and donations" I'm not sure why your sole intention seems to be to antagonise other posters, either, Shameless, and if you don't stop doing it, it will be done for you
I may be wrong, but I suspect the statement is a reference to historical racism and the accumulation of wealth by a white dominated society ie; the structures of racism which people are asking be re-addressed with fairness to all.
Excuse me but I am not the one being aggressively rude in my comments. These threads are littered with unmoderated profanities and none have stemmed from me. I have kept to the lines of debate as best I can and following my posts, that is self-evident and have avoided petty name calling, in particular, since your call to discuss things in a better manner (or words to that effect) I'm not having a go at you here, but I have not been accorded the same respect My sole intention is not to antagonise
Well they're saying they're anti capitalist there before they go onto lay out staunchly Marxist targets below. I just don't agree with much of what they say. Our ends overlap entirely in that black lives must matter, but their means are not something I can get behind. In the slightest. If someone reset the movement and made it more palatable to someone of my beliefs, I'd jump right on that band wagon. But it is just madness to me to say get rid of the police, get rid of prisons, get rid of capitalism.
I'm sure some of the protesters have a Marxist agenda. In fact I don't doubt it. That is not why people have marched or joined the clarion call. Its a shame the core issue is being confused like this, I blame that ****er Colston!
I agree with that and believe me, the fact that I'm disagreeing with the Black Lives Matter movement absolutely ****ing sickens me. I'd have rid of statues of people who've made money off slave traders, I'd ensure fair representation of BAME amongst the government, the public sector organisations such as the police and in the private sector, I'd redistribute some wealth to impoverished areas regardless of demographics to give opportunities to those who don't need it. I wouldn't destroy capitalism. I'd tweak it to get it working fairly. I wouldn't just get rid of prisons and the police. Though I hate the police from personal experience of being banged up and treated disgustingly by the ****s. The movement is hiding extreme views behind an irrefutable slogan, theb bashing people over the head with the slogan when they disagree with the extreme views and that's not ****ing cool. We need meaningful unifying reform, not ill thought out, divisive revolution. But what the **** do I know!?
But what the **** do I know!? You know that racism is wrong and understand that in the historical and current context Keep listening Don't get diverted
