Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Good evening Easternwhite...

Will you be posting anything about football or are you solely interested in the politics thread ?

 

Since you seem pressed for time to go back and read it, here is my original response to you:

"Nothing to do with statues (sic) of limitation or imitation for that matter.

The point is Roman enslavement does not have an ongoing effect on the group enslaved at that time.

Please be reminded that it took civil rights legislation in the mid 60s in the US to rectify ongoing racism, even though slavery was supposed to have ended 100 years before that.

Want to learn more about the ongoing culture of black subjugation and policing in the US?

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/05/8702...cast-throughline-explores-policing-in-america"

 

When the George Floyd murder happened, I looked at the past as I knew it. I went school with some black kids and would call a few friends, we were in the same class.
We had the same teachers.
We got similar qualifications.
We got similar jobs, non were janitors or cleaners.
We all got houses, familys, cars.

Couldn't see where I was a privaliged White.
So I asked the 2 who I was closest to, did you get racially abused or miss treated growing up, both said the same, only off mates who they had called, ginger ****, big nosed ****, or big eared ****, and got called N****r back.
Both also said they were fooking disgusted with the looting, vandalism and **** aimed at our police, dispite having the odd run in with the police, as I did myself.

 

You said it, in the US, not here, and we don't have a problem anywhere near as bad as you have.

 

"Couldn't see where I was a privaliged (sic) White."

You go on and on with this misconception of the phrase "White Privilege." It is not the same as "Privileged White."

Please do the research to understand it. Sincerely.

 

I agree with that assessment but to claim you (not you personally, the UK as a whole) have no problem is just head in the sand stuff.

 

Afternoon Jonny. As a kid growing up watching westerns (cowboys and Indians, or the 7th cavalry vs Indians) I always rooted for what were portrayed as the good guys against the baddies who were played by the Indians (mostly white blokes in make-up and poor wigs, led by blue eyed chiefs in the same garb - obviously couldn't give acting jobs to native Americans then for some reason).

As you get older you become more aware of the reality. I think the films Little Big Man and Dances with Wolves, started to show some of the realities of the conflict from the perspective of the native Americans. Then there was the film Geronimo, which I rewatched during lock-down!

Into the West was quite groundbreaking, showing life from the perspective of two families, one native American. It highlighted how the missionaries where responsible for many cruel acts, not least forbidding children from speaking in their native tongues, stopping the passing down of native history to younger generations (heathen views) and separating children from families, forcing them to leave settlements for 'schooling' in religion 100s of miles away. I often wonder why Hollywood in the modern era hasn't yet produced a gritty hard hitting high budget film, depicting the genocide and atrocities passed down on native Americans.

Anyway many years later I was working in an industry looking at the benefits of nature and green space on society and behaviour. I was taken by a study that showed the difference between native American children, children growing up on farms in the US and children growing up in urban environments. In a quick summary the urban kids had less respect for their surroundings than the others, thought nothing of littering, graffiti and the general environment. The farm kids grew up with an appreciation of nature but would take as much from the land as possible. The native American kids exhibited a culture that would take benefit from the land and animals but would consume only what they needed. Importantly, they would ensure that they left enough for nature to recover and thrive - a nurturing culture and I think a way of life that could teach the modern world a lot about protecting and nurturing the planet. Much of this was portrayed in a scene in Dances with Wolves. While hunting for a few buffalo for food and clothing, the native Americans found the herd had all been wiped out by the white man - greed. Taking just pelts and leaving hundreds of dead animals left to rot, leaving no animals to reproduce to provide for future generations.

A few years ago I read a book called Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, a book about the history of the native American tribes. It starts I think in the 1800's and charts the destruction of native tribes, spreading from the East coast to the West coast of the US, destroying their cultures and civilisation forever.

On a trip to New York a few years ago, after paying our respects at the 9/11 memorial, I wanted to go to the NATIONAL Museum of the American Indian. I cant tell you how disappointed I was. It was a huge building, a huge space with barely anything in it. Their history has almost been erased, with very few exhibits, beyond modern artists works.

As for the article, it's time to recognise that lands were stolen under false claims and great wrongs were done to the native people of America. I think we have a lot to learn from their culture, whats left of it and what has not been dismantled further by alcohol addictions and a reliance on revenue from gambling.

 

As WJ told you, look at the Chez Zone, this is an area run by BLM and other extreme groups, was shown on the news here the other day, there's a park there, it has signs saying Blacks and Native Americans only, so we have appartide, then they showed the black guys walking around with guns, then they said all the businesses have to pay compulsory protection money to the gangs. This is the BLM Utopia ? yes you can keep it.

 

This is one weird situation.

Seems to be under the control of common criminals. Not seen any reputable sources about it being BLM controlled. In truth "Black Lives Matter" is more of a rallying call than the decentralized small organization that it is.

I tried to read up about it and found this article (disclaimer, I know nothing about this website or its leanings):

https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/whats-going-on-in-chaz-the-seattle-autonomous-zone.html

Agreed there is no place for anarchy in today's societies. To believe a sizeable community can function without law enforcement is ridiculous!

 

Not no problem, there is lots to improve, just not compared to the USA, you quite often refer as we're all as bad, well I don't mind admitting, I don't take that well, we're miles apart, don't agree with the BLM group, I believe they are an extream group, I agree with people taking the knee if they wish, but don't agree with the compulsory crap, what happens if a player says he doesn't want to do it, sack him, never play football again ? that's not the Nazi world I want to live in thanks.

 

Thoughtful and good analysis for me!

I agree with most everything you have written. To answer your question "I often wonder why Hollywood in the modern era hasn't yet produced a gritty hard hitting high budget film, depicting the genocide and atrocities passed down on native Americans," I offer that the idea maybe has not come to those who have social justice and activism at heart, as this would be a huge gamble from a profit making standpoint!

While different in terms of specifics and circumstances, these claims are not much different to those of black Americans. If one recognizes the validity of one, it would be intellectually inconsistent to not recognize the claims of the other.

 

Fair play but remember the very recent history of the kneel in USA sports:

and some here think he is the answer. #Deluded #OnWhichPlanet?

 

Thank you America for saving us from this in World War 2!

You are welcome Great Britain!

 

Don't really know much about the kneel in US sport, was it about equality or anti Donald Trump, Don't personally want politics in sport, I go Leeds to get away from **** in the world and let off steam.

 

Pitty Hitler had to declare war, for you lot to get off your arses.

 

*SIGH*

Jesus wept! How many times have I got to say it. Your 300 year mantra has got nothing to do with it. We're talking about your very public contradiction here. You've not read the underlined parts, have you? I know you haven't, either that or you're visiting Narcos. shocked.

Time is not relevant to your standpoints.

You stated "I already said, I don't take the blame and don't blame others either".

Then demanded of Jonny:

"your racist ****s, killed the Native Americans and stole and still have their lands, why do you refuse to take any blame for your country's deed."

So why has Jonny to take the blame when you don't? That's the bit you've not explained. All you've babbled is '300 years'. Are you trying to say you don't take blame for something outwith your lifetime, but Jonny should take the blame for something outwith his lifetime. That's exactly what you've said, & yet you're the only one that doesn't understand what you've written!

 

Actually, it was a good thing that Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor to draw us into the war.

This is yet another shameful part of American history.

There was a very strong isolationist movement that had huge influence on President Roosevelt at that time, and a militant pro-German group that was very active - .https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan.

Fortunately it all worked out in the end.

 

I didn't come after you, just didn't like you taring us with the **** that goes on in the USA.

 

Go back sleep, you obviously don't have the brain capicity to read more than 2 posts.

 

Yes, Roosevelt was a great leader, and another leader could have left us with a very different world.