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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Woody, Jun 18, 2020.

  1. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member

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    I saw it and understood the context then. I don't understand the context now, it's not respectful, it's demeaning in my view. A sign of subjugation to greater force. I don't agree to be bullied, you may say weasel but I say respect.
     
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    Colin Kaepernick was out of time when he started his virtue signalling. A washed up has been looking for exposure. The sad fact is, he can't even come to terms with his half whiteness. That really is sad.
     
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  3. Sunderpitt

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    I would expect most folk would agree that all forms of slavery, modern or old is evil, those that made/make their fortune from such evil, do not deserve statues/monuments to commemorate their evil. Whether it was in the black slave trade or Durham mine owners subtigating their workers, who were in fact little more than slaves. Or immigrants nowadays being forced into working for nothing or into prostitution.

    The bending the knee gesture, I think Martin Luther King, may have started it and I am not going to argue with him.

    Premier League footballers, who are from a different generation to I, choose to do it to show solidarity, not least to their black team mates/friends

    Poverty and lack of opportunity for young men and women is one of the major factors.

    Which is not to say drug and gang violence is not a self-administered wound but just part of a complex problem.

    A mate of mine's daughter and husband were in N'Cle last saturday, they are both senior school teachers, he is mixed race, although fairly light skinned. Both were subject to abuse from some nethanedrals, allegedly guarding statues. We still have a long way to go..
     
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    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    I would expect most folk would agree that all forms slavery, modern or old is evil
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    That's a nice phone, what type of fruit is it? Cool trainers too.
     
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  5. Fentonpell

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    Do you really thing racism is only one way?. For instance, my granddaughter who happens to be a read head was standing in a bus queue in her school uniform. She was with a friend, who happened to be a boy when a group of six boys (from another school) joined the queue. This group consisted of 4 black and 2 white lads, who proceeded to name call my granddaughter and actually saying to her friend “how could you think about going out with a ginger-minger”. Is that racist? This happens regularly to red headed people, and I’m sure many other whites. They feel hurt just the same as blacks do.
     
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  6. gelders pie

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    Marcus Rashford has done a good thing with the meals, and what he has previously done shows that this was with good intent and not just a publicity stunt. , It has of course gotten wide publicity , and so he was singled out on tv taking the knee before the kickoff. I am sure he didn't consider using school meals publicity for BLM purposes. But what I noticed was it also included the Black Power fist ( which seems to be coming more common ?) Is this sign of a claim to being more powerful or superior not racist? Will white BLM protesters go along with it and give a black fist, or if they don't surely they are displaying division?
     
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    SAFCDRUM Well-Known Member

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    Knowing what I know of Marcus Rashford (what I've heard from people) I will give him benefit of doubt. Comes from good family and has done loads of work for charity such as the MS therapy centre my wife uses, all of which is not advertised. Always has time for the 'normal' folk.

    (Not that bending the knee and making a fist sign needs approval)
     
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    gelders pie Well-Known Member

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    I’m not having a go at him . It’s more the tv that has “ joined” the two stories by focusing on him, and it just seemed to bring to my attention that the fist was starting to become involved
     
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    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    I bend my knee to fasten my shoelaces outside.
     
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  10. gelders pie

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    I prefer the raise foot onto a low wall method
     
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  11. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that a little contradictory?
     
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  12. Sunderpitt

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    Cognitive dissonance perhaps
     
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  13. Shameless

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    I don't think so

    Football players are choosing to bend a knee in support of the BLM campaign in particular as a show of solidarity with their black team mates. Surely this is not a bad thing
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    Nope, I think it's contradictory ....

    ... immigrants automatically choose to accept the conditions into which they present themselves.

    I have to abide by the laws, by-laws, customs and the weird vendetta culture of the hillbilly area of SW France I've chosen to live in.

    Some of it is no doubt un-PC, and possibly illegal, but no one made me come here so I go along with it.


    As I'm legally employed, and entitled to be here, they have to accept that I'll gve them a clip if they openly take the piss.

    So far, it's a very amicable arrangement and we all respect our respective idiocies.
     
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  15. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Your response has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the point I was responding to.
     
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  16. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    The first bit was, girls are sold into domestic slavery and prostitution.

    Meanwhile I also said:
    Football players are choosing to bend a knee in support of the BLM campaign in particular as a show of solidarity with their black team mates. Surely this is not a bad thing
     
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  17. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    You didn't mention that.

    There is no 'also' ...
     
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  18. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    Sometimes I feel like I have my very own personal safc not606 stalker on here :emoticon-0115-inlov
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'll pull anyone up for stupidity ....

    .... I just have more examples where you're concerned.

    I've noticed you'll debate anything, as long as you think you're winning, then post nonsense and smilies when you realise you've lost.

    That's good, saves me having to think too hard.
     
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  20. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    I've noticed that you seem to drift away from the topic quite a bit and seem to have problems staying with the issues being discussed by others

    Sorry, I wasn't aware that I'd 'lost', but hey, if you say so <ok>
     
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