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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Willhoops

    Willhoops Well-Known Member

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    Nope the New Wembley, you might be that random bloke I hugged at the playoff final after the Zamora moment for all I know haha. I'm guessing you aren't the sombrero fella, I'd have assumed that was TED!!!
     
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  2. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Thankfully we are definitely a long way away from those very bad days. No argument here. I do, however, think that the evidence points to an existing form of structural racism which will perhaps actually be much harder to shift than the overt racism you refer to in your post.
     
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    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

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    "Social media is creating a monster that will be difficult to dismember..."

    Never a truer word spoken. Hopefully this is that very rare statement ... something everyone on this board can agree on?
     
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    But it is being shifted.......again I can only speak from personal experience, but people like my lad are now the sort that are joining the OB......not the bullies and racists that we used to know. That’s one of the ways that change is taking place.
     
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    Me Too.
     
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    Staines dont say that FFS! <laugh> You remember what happened when i said it?
     
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  7. ELLERS

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    So you go on various demos?
    I think its sad that these groups ( not saying you) infiltrate and cause trouble which ruins the message. I remember reading a fab book on The life Dr King where he condemned violence. I wonder what he would have thought of the actions here?
     
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  8. Willhoops

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    Yes I go on various demos.


    I would think MLK would be more appalled that 50 years after his work that racism is still at the levels it is today and be wanting answers as to why this is the case and why things aren't different, before he would even consider answering anything else. Are bells starting to ring yet?

    Can you please demonstrate where you have clarified

    *I asked
    Who am I lumping in the same basket? It's from comments on this page, you accused me of lumping people into the same basket, you have not clarified in the slightest who.

    *I asked
    So you are either saying that you support the slave trader or people should have left the statues of other figures including Hitler and Sadam Hussain where they stand and those responsible for pulling them down should have been arrested. By your logic it must be one of the two.

    Again this comes from this page, certain context might go back a page, but it's all there. Why don't you answer?

    You have claimed you have answered, can you please show me where or admit that was a lie.
     
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  9. Goldhawk-Road

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    Superb post, Sooper
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    It may well be defamatory to accuse anyone of being West London Willy!

    Willhoops may be a bit woke (!) but in an intelligent and reasonable way
     
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    think Dr King would understand that things like racism arent sorted in a day. I also think that he would think his fight has come a long way. You dont think the US is different from the 60?
    As for you silly comments regarding a slave trader? I just said it was stupid to pull down a statue, which is was. I noticed that the usual anarchists were the ones that did it as well. Funny i also saw a stop Brexit sign on the news. As i said the Tarquins latest outing... what will it be next month?
     
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    I agree although i dont agree with Wills he articulates his points quite well.
     
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  13. Willhoops

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    I'm fully aware things like racism aren't solved in a day, and whilst there has been significant progress it's 50 years there is no way there is enough considering the amount the world has changed, and whilst it's only my opinion, it is my opinion in the last 10-15 years we have gone backwards, like I've said before it might not be to do with the number of racists/bigots but the platform being more available to voice their opinions and they certainly feel more empowered to do so.

    The point with regards to the statue in Bristol was quite poignant, there have been numerous requests for this to be taken down, and I see no reason to why it was still up, those requests were ignored flat out. Which is part of what the current protest is about, not having voices heard. Certain statues and monuments have no place in modern society, this was one of them, bit like if Sadam's was still up.

    Who were the usual anarchists? Did you recognise them from other protests? Really? Next the Brexit sign... yeah a bit out of place really in my opinion and of no real benefit, whilst there is undoubtedly a correlation between Brexit voters and bigots (some not all) it really does nothing in the greater scheme of it, it will only go to alienate the Brexit voters who aren't racist. Your Tarquin comment? Juvenile, it's just a pathetic attempt to discredit people are showing they actually care, I'd much prefer there were people willing to engage in issues they feel passionately about than sit at home and do **** all for society in their entire life.

    So what are we missing here... oh yeah you claimed I was putting people in the same basket, you are still to clarify who, and if you have clarified you have not shown this, if you are unable to demonstrate where I would appreciate an apology for telling porkies and an explanation.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    I'll take that Goldie, not that I really know much of West London Willy, I do remember seeing his name on posts, but don't remember the content.

    The weird thing is people throw woke around as an insult, I see it as aware of current issues and progressive/humanist ways of thinking, so for me a big compliment :1980_boogie_down:
     
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    I'll take this as well and will thank you for this comment
     
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    To be fair Wills, the interview they did on sky yesterday with a white fella wearing wearing a BLM T-shirt, speaking with a posh accent was called ‘Hugo’.......I did chuckle to myself :)
     
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    I get what your saying, but in the weird and wonderful world of the activist you see people from all walks of life from your Hugo's to your Swampys, it's not often you get such a diverse collection of people, it's a truly beautiful thing.
     
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    It wasn't meant as an insult! I quite agree that those who are woke are proud to be called that.
     
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    Thanks Goldie, again appreciated :)
     
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    Problem is though Wills it’s always these ****s who are egging others on to violence when they haven’t got the bollox to do anything themselves.
    The self same guys who will talk their face off, bemoaning the destruction of the rainforest while sticking 3 grams of Charlie up their nose every weekend.
    I dislike them and their need for a cause.....
     
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