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  1. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    You're not 12% below private sector salary increases, btw. You're probably 4% ahead.
     
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  2. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Have you worked it out since 2010 like I have?

    Especially seeing as you've complained about teachers attitudes where you live.

    You appear to have such a gripe about those working in education. Are you a daily mail reader?
     
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  3. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    I think you'll find my gripe is much wider than that.
     
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  4. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    So you are a daily mail reader then <laugh>
     
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  5. haslam

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    That does indeed sound sub-par mate.

    We'll had a real mish-mash at our school of who can provide what. I've been in once a week but not done any live lessons for the sole reason that my 3, 6 and 8 year-old are home with me and I just don't think it would work (plus I've had to spend my days entertaining and teaching my own kids) but work should be provided on a weekly basis, marked and fed back on (where possible, some types of work aren't really mark-able at the moment, as a maths teacher it's easier in that regard!). I've also rang home for my form class each half term - so am about to do my third set of phonecalls home this week, that'll be 76 overall, plus another 36 for my 6th form. I'd hope most schools were trying to actually see that what they are doing is working but I've no doubt some schools are doing it much better than others.

    Without wanting to get too political the actual guidance to what people should do was pretty rubbish and relied on the teachers themselves deciding. As in all areas of work some took option A and some took option B.

    As regards anxious kids, I properly feel your pain. My 3 year old was toilet trained before the age of 2 and yet suddenly can't have a dry day once we're in lock-down, the change of circumstances have spooked her and my house continually smells of p*ss. My 6 year old had to have his birthday party cancelled and cries every-time i have to change which day I'm going into work as he can't get his head around what's going on. My 8 year old is fine, he has no discernible personality.
     
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  6. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    I was in yesterday and both my 4 and 2 year old was crying as I left and my 4 year olds wet the bed last night and wanted to sleep in my bed.

    He doesn't understand why I'm going in and he's not.
     
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  7. haslam

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    Fair play, I get your gripe is wider. What DPP is refering to (and look there's more to the argument than this)...

    I started teaching in 2010 (as it happens) and since then teacher pay was:

    2010: pay freeze
    2011: pay freeze
    2012: pay freeze
    2013: pay freeze
    2014: pay freeze
    2015: pay freeze
    2016: pay freeze
    2017: 1% increase
    2018: 1% increase

    I may have a year wrong there and would have to check but I know it was frozen for the first chunk of years I was in the profession whilst inflation was at around 1.8%. So in real terms it's a pay cut which compounded each year. The private sector was, on average, increasing by 1%+ each year.

    It sounds minor but after a decade it does indeed equal 10%+ less.
     
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  8. haslam

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    But anyway - teacher pay is a separate issue. Let's not get sidetracked.

    I can't wait to get in more days. Honestly, I'm happy I'm going back more.
     
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  9. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Last year it was 2% despite an independent review suggested it should be 5%
     
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  10. haslam

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    Yeah but that's not specific to teachers, the government get independent reviews of all public sector and agree if their findings are low percentages and disagree if they're high.

    You look at how some of the NHS staff have been handled over the last decade and now, after all the lip service and clapping of the past few months, I'll be shocked if they get any financial recognition.
     
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  11. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    We all know and agree schools and teachers are underfunded by a vast amount.
     
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  12. Howe's about that then?

    Howe's about that then? Well-Known Member

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    The last bit is a bitter pill to swallow.
    I'm not one to bitch and moan about what other people are getting/not getting usually and I'm for bringing up everyone in society but we (not exclusively) have continued to work through this for 20% of our wage, we get a couple of kind words from the government and then we will be ****ed over with everyone else when the next inevitable recession hits and we have to pay back the furlough money we didn't even see any of.
    I think the furlough scheme was a good idea and I don't like the current government, I don't know why it was 80% rather than 100% but whatever. Not only will we have our pay frozen (cut with inflation) we will also be taxed more to pay back the money the government paid for furlough.
     
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  13. haslam

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    Cheers mate, I think @Darren Peacock's Ponytail has it out for you though, maybe he's on the blob?

    I like my job and even if I get a pay freeze for the next decade I'll still be there doing it as I want to be and don't need more money (my wife earns more than double what I earn) but it does gripe when i see good teachers leaving to become, for instance, train drivers. That probably makes me sound like a snob and I have nothing against train drivers but the lady in question had a first class degree in England and 15 years teaching experience and left for more money. It hurt.

    I also hate the argument some people make of - well if you don't like it get a different job - as though we should all be driven by capitalism all the time. I moved out of the private sector solely because i was sick of having to sell everything all the time, and I wasn't even working in an obviously sales like job.
     
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  14. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Probably am.

    I came from industry as well and sadly I'll always be a teacher now but to me it's just a job
     
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  15. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    Sorry they only recomended a 3.5% rise for teachers not 5%
     
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  16. Roland Deschain

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    Nah, healthy debate is all.

    I respect most teachers, I haven't the patience to do it. Same with healthcare professionals, really, and both are underfunded and lack leadership/direction from above. Our methods seem woefully archaic, putting 11 year olds and below through "tests" is beyond stupid, and the entire lack of focus on vocation means many kids stumble into a blackhole of just trying to, well, sell stuff. Then we get these massive economic meltdowns because nobody has the ability, or interest, in buying pointless **** from dreadful shops. Meanwhile, the teaching profession is woefully stretched, the NHS suffers, and we have hundreds of thousands of kids stacking supermarket shelves purely because education (though mainly parenting, I will caveat) let them down.
     
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    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    I've met some right dicks who are teachers! Power hungry and genuinely appear to hate children. Then you get senior management who forget they only teach one lesson every other day and give you more and more work to do. **** wits.

    Also my previous head teacher only spoke to me once in 3 years even though my daughter died during that time and the only conversation I had with her was that she hadn't received my resignation letter.
     
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  18. Howe's about that then?

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    Ah dude, sorry to hear that
     
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  19. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Everyone's situation is different depending on a number of factors. For instance its proving very difficult to get some construction workers back. Your one man bands are fine, but many others are not keen. Some have genuine fear. Some just don't do a lot of thinking, couldn't give a **** about the virus or the economy, but they are enjoying the weather and beer. However lets get all the cards on the table too. I know of at least 3 joiners who don't want to go back because lockdown is working out great for them. They are doing guvvy jobs, pulling in nearly 1K a week tax free and then picking up their 80% pay. This is being repeated again and again across the country.

    Regardless of their reason for not wanting to go back, too many are now hiding behind a ready made excuse. If I was of the mind, I'd start passing the information on about furlough cheats, because I find it pretty disgusting. The same ****s are on facebook criticising the government, posting ill informed articles and memes about why we should still be locked down. Then they are away up to Darras Hall pulling in good money. While the government pays their wage to their employer. But snitches get stitches <laugh>
     
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  20. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    Agree with this, but at the same time the way the rules have been created they are only breaking tax rules and not furlough rules (plus any social distancing rules/guidelines that apply). They are probably in the minority, but they are ****ing it up for a lot of people who cannot go back to work yet because their places of work are not allowed to open. Too many people looking out for number one and not thinking of the bigger picture. I appreciate that support cannot go on forever as there is no bottomless pit of money, but come September I think we are going to start to see a lot of businesses close down if they are having to start paying wages (or part of them) with zero revenue. Some entire industry sectors could go to the wall.
     
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