Off Topic Schools going back

You really know **** all.

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I can vouch for this as my daughter who teaches year 6 , has a class of 30 and
has to mark and comment on so many books each day that she is still working at 10pm each night
yet she doesn't get paid for the time

 

And then you get the ignorant ****ers who think they know what happens in education

 

Just stating a fact.

No idea how hard being a teacher is, but you have my utmost sympathy, particularly with the PC/snowflake "rules" of today.

 

I can't speak for every school but my children's school have been setting work each day, emailing and calling the children AND teaching the key worker children. Teachers haven't had the last 12 weeks off so why should they be expected to work through the summer?

 

Explain the four months I've had off then?

 

I must admit that my attitude towards teachers changed when i had seen how much work that my daughter had to do
not to mention the out of hours meetings or school trips babysitting she has to participate in
Me and the wife offered to help her mark the Maths books to help out, so she wasn't so tired but she told us that
she had to make comments on each bit of work that parents and Ofsted could read and form opinions of her with

you have got to remember that schools survive off their Ofsted reports and certain teachers are pulling more than others

 

Dunno, have you had four months off or been paid or been working or been parenting? I haven't read every post.

FWIW - I've been working longer hours due to supporting US and APAC business, whilst the kids have been home schooled at a sub-standard level 'cos I'm not an expert. I do not see how them being around for another 6 weeks in the Summer benefits them or me in anyway?

 

I take my hat off to you.
I loved school and really wanted to be a teacher but realised I hate being the centre of attention and talking to groups of people so had to find something else to do. I know it sounds completely mental that I will walk into a burning building but **** myself at the thought of talking to an audience.
My kids struggle academically and I cannot thank people like you enough who go the extra mile with early intervention as you actually still give a **** about what you do.

 

I'm a teacher! I'm the expert. Listen to me ( and @haslam )

@haslam had already said we are happy to be in school.

However I've made hundreds of calls, made hundreds of online lessons, marked work, etc etc.
I've done a 40 hour week since the start and worked during the Easter holidays

 

I think much of the issue (and I'm a teacher so will not claim to be impartial ofc) is the perception that teachers have had the time off at all to be honest. I can only speak for myself and my school really. I usually teach 23 hrs a week plus around another 8-10 hours of contact time (form time after school etc). The rest of my work is made up of around 15-20 hours of other things (planning, marking, etc.).

Over these weeks I've only had to be in one day a week (so about 8 hours work) but the other 15-20 hours of work has still needed to be done and it's more like 20+ as there's extra things to have sorted out. I said a while ago I reckoned I was doing 15-20 hours a week, it's been more like 25 I'd say since a few weeks ago.

This is a lot less than my full time working but it's not a holiday. The "schools closed" messages in the media really haven't helped a false public perception of us all sat in hot tubs all day. I would begrudge slightly working like this during the normal school term and then being told my holidays were cancelled to account for all the tie I've had off. That said I get that plenty of people have been shafted.

PS. From a purely personal point of view I've also had 3 young children to look after and home school throughout this process while my wife is entirely absent from home, and she's not getting paid a penny extra for all the overtime she's doing!!! I said before the schools closed that I would prefer to be in work, honestly it's easier for me. This has not been fun.

 

I've taught my kids immediate emergency first aid.
Don't know how much of it has been retained but I'm reasonably confident they could have a good crack at CPR. I didn't think it was right to teach an 8yr old how to apply a tourniquet

 

My kids were born in Liverpool so probably already knew it by 8.

 

Our local junior school has provided **** all lessons, **** all content and directed us to the BBC bitesize website for learning. The teachers at that school have done the square root of **** all and are now looking at six weeks PAID holiday at tax-payers expense.

Middle School has been better, but not by much. Questions have been set via SIMS, but there's no online classes, no real-time learning, no feedback. My daughter is not sleeping well due to anxiety. She has no idea how far behind she is. There's NOBODY telling the children they're ok. It wouldn't take much - Zoom is ****ing FREE!!!!

In short, the systems shortfalls are a ****ing abomination. The likes of Korea, Nordic countries, have been teaching live lessons in an online setting. Meanwhile here Universities are making redundancies and panicking because they can't charge as much when there's no learning facility. No panic about kids learning, no reflection about having brought in so many pointless, mindless courses, no concerns over skills shortage - no. None of that. Pure dread they can't line their ****ing pockets with cash.

I'm not suggesting any of these situations are DPP or Haslam's responsibility, fault or even represent their specific circumstances. These are the circumstances I am putting up with, and they are accurate, valid and vomit-inducingly real.

This country is a ****ing abomination and it's on a very slippery slope.

 

I've also done fewer hours than normal but like you have had to deal with young children and when you're in a small house with little garden space is hard work.

Every time I call a parent on my mobile (using 141) I have to then delete the entry just in case one if the children play "pretend chat to granny on daddy's phone" and accidently call a parent.

 

You mention Korea. They pay teachers £70000 a year.

You mention the Nordic countries. They pay teachers over £60000 a year.

 

Oh @Roland Deschain

Teachers
Do
Not
Get
Paid
For
The
6
Weeks
Holiday

It is not a holiday for teachers.
It is unemployment

 

As I clearly said, it's not YOUR fault. It's the system, it's our Government, it's the way our country is run. It's a disgrace and a shambles. We pay the very best and most essential the very worst of ****ing salaries.

 

As a follow up point I was also in over half term holidays and Easter holidays and - more importantly - my boys school has been in all of these times too (a primary school) and the teachers there have been doing 3 days a week plus their out of hours commitments (I'd suspect they're doing 30-40 hours a week easily). So their reward for working not far off full time as normal plus through their Easter holidays and their half term week shouldn't, in my view, to have to also work through their summer holidays. It's hardly a thankyou - bare in mind no-one in the public sector is getting a pay rise for about a decade after this...

 

We're already 12% below inflation over the last 10 years