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    We used to have a Timeform Corner for posting interesting articles/links but it's a long time since we used it so I thought I would start another. It is not intended to attract everything Timeform but it could be handy to have certain Timeform features here, especially rating updates. Feel free to add anything of interest
     
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    Here are the latest ratings for novice hurdlers. For info Shishkin's rating is based on his 2mile form. Today he tackled 2m3½f, and clearly appreciated the step up in distance. It will be interesting to see what Timeform make of that. Interesting that there are 4 in that list carrying the big P. Maybe NH would rather send Marie's Rock for the 2 miler (except she isn't entered)

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    Marie’s Rock out for the season Ron
     
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    That explains that. Cheers Oddy
     
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    Shishkin has gone up just 1lb and the "P" has been reduced to a "p". That "P" didn't count for much then. Another "P" Sporting John has dropped off the radar. Hmmm
     
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    Chasers updated 11th Feb

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    Impressive win for Sporting John today. Was 139P before this and beat Master Debonaire 145p with ease. Will be interesting to see the revised ratings
     
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    MD didn’t run to a mark though I’d suggest. Agree though.
     
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    Ready for the Flat: Improving horses with a large P
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    By Timeform — published 25th May 2020
    Timeform highlight the ten highest-rated horses with the large P, which denotes they are likely to make significant improvement.

    Born With Pride (Timeform rating 105P)

    William Haggas has only trained a handful of horses for the Tsui family, but they’ve already enjoyed great success together, notably with Sea of Class, and they have another smart prospect on their hands in Born With Pride , who won the listed Montrose Fillies’ Stakes at Newmarket on her debut in November. It’s a measure of the rarity of that feat the last horse trained in Britain or Ireland to make a winning start at listed level before Born With Pride was her own sire Born To Sea nine years earlier. It’s not as if the Montrose was a soft race either, the timefigure/sectionals impressive and the Aidan O’Brien-trained second having won by a wide margin on her previous start. Add a smart middle-distance pedigree into the mix and Born With Pride has the look of one of the most exciting three-year-old filly prospects for 2020. William Haggas

    Palace Pier (102P)

    The John Gosden-trained Palace Pier created a big impression when winning twice at Sandown inside three weeks in August/September, and, while injury stopped him appearing in any of the big end-of-year pattern races, it’d be a surprise if he doesn’t prove well up to the standard in 2020. A good-topped colt by Kingman, Palace Pier scored gearing down in a seven-furlong maiden on his debut, ahead of a few subsequent winners, and was similarly impressive when landing very short odds in a minor event over the same trip next time. He’s sure to stay a mile, with some hope of getting further still. John Gosden

    Cold Front (92P)

    Cold Front comes from a family that has served William Haggas and Lael Stable very well – Superstar Leo, Enticing, One Master and several other black-type winners appear on the page – and he looks like keeping up the tradition if his debut second in a heavy-ground maiden at Newbury in October is anything to go by. Admittedly, he got caught late after trading at 1.01 in-running on Betfair, but only having powered through the race in front, and with the first two clear it looks strong form. A son of Lope de Vega, most of his family have proved best up to a mile, and Cold Front certainly didn’t look short of speed at Newbury. William Haggas

    Boccaccio (89P)

    Presumably Boccaccio had a problem or two in 2019, as his two runs were six months apart, but he created a big impression in winning both and looks potentially smart. He became Charlie Appleby’s ninth first-time-out two-year-old winner of the season when scoring over seven furlongs at Yarmouth in late-May and improved to a useful level when defying a penalty over the same trip at Kempton in November. Boccaccio has the pedigree to go with his promise as well, by Dubawi out of a mare that won a couple of seven-furlong pattern races. Charlie Appleby

    Highest Ground (89P)

    Highest Ground’s win at Leicester in September was one of the most remarkable first-time-out efforts in 2019, considering the circumstances he had to overcome. He gave his rivals a huge head start when missing the break, ran green until after halfway yet still powered through to win going away. By Frankel and related to several useful or better winners in the Niarchos silks, he’s an exciting prospect. Sir Michael Stoute

    Magnetised (89P)

    A colt by Shamardal from the family of Dubawi, Magnetised only won by a neck on his debut at Doncaster in October, but he had to overcome greenness to do it and, come the line, had a fair bit more in hand than that bare margin suggests. His SP of 7/4 that day suggests big things were expected, and with two of his half-siblings having proved useful or better over middle-distances, Magnetised is one to get excited about for Roger Varian in 2020. Roger Varian

    Satono Japan (87P)

    A Japanese-bred colt by Deep Impact out of the Grade 1 winner Dubawi Heights, Satono Japan cost 194,400,000 yen as a yearling (approximately £1.4m), and, while he’s obviously still got a long way to go to justify that outlay, there was nothing but promise in his winning debut at Kempton in October. Easy to back in a warm-looking race, Satono Japan missed the break and met a bit of trouble on his way through, but there was unmistakable quality in the turn of foot he found to lead late on, and there should be major improvement in the pipeline this year, when he’ll stay at least a mile. Sir Michael Stoute

    Vatican City (87P)

    Bred in the purple as a brother to dual Guineas winner Gleneagles and numerous other useful or better performers trained by Aidan O’Brien, and with the looks to match, Vatican City showed the benefit of a considerate introduction at Newmarket in October when off the mark at Dundalk later in the month. He was far from extended that day, and, with a mile sure to be within range, will surely be keeping up the family tradition in 2020. Aidan O'Brien

    King Leonidas (82P)

    Representing the same connections as a Palace Pier and like that one a colt by Kingman, King Leonidas looked a bright prospect when winning his only start at Newmarket in October. Admittedly, that bare form isn’t much better than fair, but King Leonidas scored with plenty up his sleeve despite running green in the early stages. He’s related to a mile-and-a-half winner and is sure to stay at least a mile in 2020. John Gosden

    Kahala Queen (82P)

    The only four-year-old entering 2020 with a large P, Roger Varian’s Kahala Queen presumably had a problem to be making her debut in October of her three-year-old season, and it was only an ordinary maiden she won at Wolverhampton, but the way she did it, plus her smart pedigree (by Shamardal and a half-sister to a handful of useful or better winners) points to big improvement in the pipeline. She had to overcome a slow start and troubled passage at Wolverhampton, and though she only got up in the shadow of the post she was far more superior than that might suggest. Roger Varian
     
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    Ready for the Flat: the highest-rated two-year-olds of 2019
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    By Timeform — published 26th May 2020
    Ahead of the 2020 Flat season, Timeform remind you of the highest-rated two-year-olds from last year.

    Pinatubo (134)

    Pinatubo wasn’t only the best two-year-old of 2019, but the best for the 25 years. His six-race unbeaten sequence started at Wolverhampton as early as mid-May and took in big meetings at Epsom, Royal Ascot, and Goodwood before a remarkable nine-length win in the National Stakes at the Curragh. That was the best two-year-old performance since Celtic Swing, and it was backed up by a top-class timefigure. Pinatubo wasn’t quite so exhilarating in the Dewhurst on his final start, but he was still the best winner of that race since Frankel. Pinatubo is sure to stay a mile and, even if he doesn’t improve much as a three-year-old (and he isn’t as scopey as some on the list), he sets the bar exceptionally high, his form already good enough to win any Guineas this century bar Frankel’s.

    Kameko (120)

    In a normal year Kameko might have been pushing for champion two-year-old. He got better with each of his four races, following his debut win at Sandown with seconds in the Solario there and the Royal Lodge at Newmarket prior to a commanding win in the Group 1 Vertem Futurity run on the all-weather at Newcastle. He was a more than up-to-scratch winner of the Futurity, no mean feat considering the two prior winners both followed up in the Guineas, while the previous two runners-up also scored at the top level as three-year-olds. A strong colt by Kitten’s Joy, Kameko is likely to stay a mile and a quarter as a three-year-old, though his stamina for further isn’t assured.

    Arizona (119)

    Arizona only won two of his seven races, but he got closer to Pinatubo than any other horse managed in a pattern race when second in the Dewhurst, and that was enough to make him the best Aidan O’Brien-trained juvenile of 2019. He followed up a wide-margin Curragh maiden win in May with success in the Coventry at Royal Ascot the following month, and while he didn’t match that form in the Morny or the National Stakes, his front-running second to Pinatubo at Newmarket was a comfortable career-best, backed up by a smart timefigure. Things didn’t go to plan at the Breeders’ Cup on his final outing, but Arizona should be suited by a mile and has the physique to train on well.

    Mums Tipple (119)

    Mums Tipple finished down the field in the Middle Park on his only try in a pattern race, but he had possible excuses that day, and his devastating win in a six-furlong sales race at the Ebor meeting was one of the best performances by a juvenile last year. A big, strong colt who had made a winning debut at Ascot in July, Mums Tipple admittedly only had fairly useful rivals to beat at York, but the way he did it – by 11 lengths in a very smart time – left little doubt it was a decidedly smart effort, and he’ll be well worth another chance to prove as much in 2020.

    Military March (118p)

    Pinatubo obviously stole the show for Charlie Appleby, but the various arms of Godolphin are richly represented among last season’s leading juveniles, and Saeed bin Suroor got in on the act courtesy of Military March. He made a winning start on the July course in midsummer and overcame a rise in grade when edging out Appleby’s Al Suhail in the Autumn Stakes on the Rowley Mile in October. The 2018 renewal of that race was outstanding – the first three comprised the subsequent winners of the French 2000 Guineas, 2000 Guineas and St James's Palace – and 2019 wasn’t bad either, with the first two seven lengths clear of the rest in a fast time. Miltary March’s high level of form at two is especially exciting considering he’s both built and bred to make a better middle-distance three-year-old, a good sort by Derby winner New Approach out of Yorkshire Oaks winner Punctilious.

    Wichita (118)

    A scopey colt by No Nay Never, Wichita improved markedly on each of his first three outings, winning a maiden at the Curragh in August, then finishing second in listed company at Doncaster before running out an impressive seven-length winner of the Tattersalls Stakes at Newmarket. He didn’t fare quite so well when third behind Pinatubo and Arizona in the Dewhurst, though it was by no means a bad run, and softer ground than previously may have blunted him. He’s the type to train on well, and while he’s raced only at seven furlongs so far, a mile won’t be any problem.

    Earthlight (117p)

    The best French-trained two-year-old of 2019, Earthlight didn’t get close to Pinatubo in form terms but has similarities with that colt in that they share an owner in Godolphin and a sire in Shamardal, while both went unbeaten, signing off with successive Group 1 wins. In Earthlight’s case, those top-level wins both came in hard-fought fashion over six furlongs, in the Prix Morny at Deauville and the Middle Park at Newmarket. Earthlight has raced only at six furlongs and isn’t at all short of speed, though his pedigree suggests he should stay at least seven furlongs as a three-year-old.

    Al Suhail (117)

    A son of Dubawi who cost more than a million guineas as a yearling, Al Suhail is the only one of the top ten yet to score outside minor company. His win came at long odds on at Yarmouth in August, but he then showed much better form in pattern races, finishing third (a place behind Kameko) in the Solario at Sandown prior to an excellent second to Military March in the Autumn Stakes. Al Suhail looks the part and is bred to make a better three-year-old, though there were glimmers of awkwardness on his final two outings, so that will be something worth monitoring in 2020.

    Victor Ludorum (115)

    The third Godolphin-owned son of Shamardal on the list and a second for Andre Fabre, Victor Ludorum won all three of his starts in 2019, quickening up well when bagging his Group 1 in the Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere on Arc day. Victor Ludorum is the only one of the top 10 to have appeared in 2020, running below his best when only third in the Prix de Fontainebleau, though there were potential extenuating circumstances and he’s worth another chance to prove himself very smart.

    Golden Horde (115)

    Easily the best offspring so far by his sire Lethal Force (also trained by Clive Cox), Golden Horde won two of his six outings as a juvenile, comprising a Windsor minor event and the Group 2 Richmond Stakes at Goodwood. He made the places behind Earthlight in Group 1s on his final two outings, finishing third in the Morny before a career-best second, beaten just a neck, in the Middle Park. Golden Horde has kept to six furlongs so far, but there’s a bit of stamina in his pedigree and seven furlongs will probably be within range.

    Millisle (115)

    The leading two-year-old filly of 2019, Millisle made rapid strides in less than three months, winning three times and finishing second on her other two outings. Those wins comprised a maiden at Bellewstown in July, a listed race at Curragh the following month, and a 16/1 success in the Group 1 Cheveley Park Stakes at Newmarket in September, when she got outpaced mid-race before powering home to lead inside the final furlong. Millisle has raced only at five furlongs and six furlongs and is by a sprinter in Starspangledbanner, but there’s plenty of stamina on the dam’s side of her pedigree and her style of racing strongly suggests she’ll be suited by seven furlongs and beyond.
     
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    Stradivarius 125
    Yeats 122.
     
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