Of course this would be providing we keep him and he stays fit. Bergkamp had a adverage record for arsenal in terms for games to goal for a striker. 120 goals in total in 423 app 100th goal in 296 app Van Persie so far is on 100 goals in 238 games. He could beat Bergies record this season if he continues with his goal scoring. But my question is would this make him better or could no one compare? That is all. MY view is there is only one Bergkamp And only one RVP different players both unique. Just wonder what goal RVP could have been on without long term injury. Just for the record Henry was 226 goal in 370 games with his 100th coming in 181 games.
Bergkamp was the consumate professional. Silky smooth skills, flair and an innate ability to read the game. He was rarely injured and always seemed to enjoy his game. RVP whilst being a good striker the ball, doesn't have the finesse or general ability of DB10.
What? That's absolute rubbish. Bergkamp was a top class player, but his goal scoring record wasn't great for a striker. RVP's stats show that not only is he a top goalscorer, but also has a wonderful assist record. RVP has finesse and ability by the bucket load.
That's not what he's saying though. He's just saying that he doesn't have the same level of those qualities as Bergy did.
PIKSIE - I have to agree with Tuffnell. RVP is a very good, technical player, like Bergkamp. Bergkamp joined us when we were kack but was always the cream that rose to the top. Technically I think Bergkamp has the slight edge on RVP, Bergkamp has scored goals nobody else has scored and I doubt anybody will for a while. RVP has scored some delightful goals but not in that goal of the season class as Bergkamp's. while RVP may be on schedule to outscore Bergkamp .. that doesn't make him a better player. Think about Bergkamp's best goals .. RVP's are not quite at that level.
Bergkamp scored some sublime goals But you only have to look at that goal at Charlton, or the one from the impossible angle against Blackburn (last season at Highbury) to know that RVP scores goals that are just as good
which would you prefer, RVP to score amazing beautiful goals a few times a season, or score average goals every other game!
RVP has scored 26 goals in the last 31 games, some of them absolute beauties. Not only is he prolific - he is sublime
PIKSIE - I see your 2 RVP goals and raise you the Bergkamp's goal against Leicester (either of them in fact) and his goal against Tottenham. Bergkamp was a better passer of the ball too. When did RVP last score a long distance goal ?
If he continues at this rate he will have topped Dennis Bergkamp's tally before the year is out. Yes he is by comparison more injury-prone but I think he has a more prolific strike rate and his assists are out of the top drawer too. I wonder if this is listed anywhere. To me, over the same and longer distance RvP should come out ahead of Dennis Bergkamp but this is hardly a comparative issue for me since both are my two equal favourites
RVP is a striker, where as Bergkamp is a second striker, so I don't know why people are even bothering to compare. As a second striker/AM, Bergkamp had a lot more to do than just create goals. He had playmaker duties as much as anything else, which obviously meant that a lot less of his time was spent trying to find the net compared to an out-and-out striker. But that's where he became such a superb and essential player. Could Bergkamp score as many goals as RVP if he was a plain striker? I doubt it to be honest. However, could RVP carry out playmaker number 10 duties as well as Bergkamp did? I highly doubt it. They're largely incomparable.
Another thing that occurred to me is that could one ever successfully or quite rightly make a comparison of two players from different eras? It's an age-old conundrum in Formula 1. It is impossible to compare drivers of different eras in the machinery of their time and as one knows only too well, the sport today is such that the car is a vital component of success. Only rarely is a driver in an inferior car able to emerge an eventual winner and by that I mean the driver' championship. Indeed only three come to mind in the modern era of the sport, Prost in 1986, Schumacher in 1995 and Alonso in 2005. In football how does one measure success? If by the number of goals scored then what about assists without which, goals would not be possible. To me in football, a player's success is also dependent on the makeup of the team around him. You can have a superb striker but if he gets little by way of support, what then? Like in Formula 1 I think the good and great will always show through by their skill even if this may not in enviable strike rates. My 2c
They are his best 2 goals. Bergkamp has loads of goal of the season contenders. The 2 players occupy different roles although in recent times RVP has been providing far more than he used to, he is not playing as far forward as before, so comparisons are becoming more relevant. Bergkamp is the better talent without a doubt and I dare say it really shouldn't even be a discussion.
I will see your Leicester goal and raise you his goal against Barca. No idea how he managed it at that angle.
You bring a very valid point Chappaz. They played in 2 very different teams, 2 very different formation and more importantly, different types of play and position. Bergy was a support striker/Attacking Midfielder and Creative Cat all roled into one. We had Henry in our team that took the majority of the responsibility to score goals. RVP on the other hand is our main lone striker who is supported by 2 players, theoretically. It's suppose to be a 3 prong attack but usually just ends up with RVP up front on his Jack Jones. This obviously enable RVP to score loads more goals as he has more chances. But RVP generally is more prolific as a sole striker than if Bergy was used in that position, but Bergy would fit nicely into our new formation and bring the best out of the rest eg Walcott, Gervinho, Arshavin etc.... I still think RVP has more in his locker but he isn't being utilised fully and can be quite a creative cat when needed, but Bergy was just more well rounded and more versatile. Also, Bergy is more likey to do something spectacular than RVP. But again, that could be down to Wengers change of style. Overall i'd take Bergy over RVP any day of the week. Bergy versatility would enable you to use him in a WIDE range of positions. With Fabs departure, you could use him as an AM, or stick him anywhere in the front 3 and he would combine better with the others, as he had better vision than RVP.
