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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
    24
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brb said:
I'm allowed to be wrong. It's called trust. Much like I never believed in the virus at first, simply because I could never believe we would leave borders open in such a situation. It wasn't until a friend showed me something from Italy, that I never ever posted on here, I then thought....fooking shhite, we've got a problem. I admitted I had been wrong, I'm but a mere individual, not someone paid huge sums of money to keep the citizens of this country safe.
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Not saying you were wrong or right about the virus, I actually don't think you'd said anything or given any opinion even, just ripped the piss out of me for giving one.

More the fact it's reminded me how folk were commenting at the time that it was just acceptable to trash the elderly for the sake of others because that was just the way things were in hospitals and we should just accept it. You know that might actually be the case, it might be regular practise in the health service - fck knows - but if it is, it's hardly surprising that it's only a small step towards a mentality where the elderly can be considered acceptable collateral damage in a coronavirus pandemic by the powers that be.
 
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Treble said:
Not saying you were wrong or right about the virus, I actually don't think you'd said anything or given any opinion even, just ripped the piss out of me for giving one.

More the fact it's reminded me how folk were commenting at the time that it was just acceptable to trash the elderly for the sake of others because that was just the way things were in hospitals and we should just accept it. You know, that might actually be the case, it might be regular practise in the health service - fck knows - but if it is, it's hardly surprising that it's only a small step to a mentality where the elderly can be considered acceptable collateral damage in a coronavirus pandemic by the powers that be.
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I never know what mood my brain is going to be in mate. I was probably just ripping the piss or an excuse to ban someone <whistle>
 
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Chief said:
Is this like a Loaded style politicians world cup?

My answer is Gordon Brown.

Met him while having a piss at a urinal at Old Trafford. Had an awkward 'alright?' type conversation.

He was engaging!
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I met Margaret Thatcher once. I have never been a fan of her politics, then or now, but that woman radiated charisma. She was electric in fact.
 
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aberdude said:
Do aboriginal people have to except the term Australian just because some white **** names it......Well its the same for me I just live on this island and I couldn't care for what's its called or what box I'm supposed to fit in.
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<laugh><laugh>

Do you still call Wales "Brythoniaid" in your house? Cos, the Saxons named it Wales :emoticon-0138-think
 
Latest news is that the infection rate in the UK has now gone up to the point where the R factor is now close to the point where the virus will "spread rapidly" ... but stay alert and we'll soon be through this <doh>
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
general principles are laid down by NHE England and in this case of Covid 19 they issued guidance to all trusts which being a new issue they almost certainly followed .
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Guidance may well have been put out by NHS England to help the overall effort to deal with coronavirus. That doesn’t absolve doctors of their responsibility to their patients.
 
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Tobes said:
The National message was to free up beds and discharge as many as possible. The advice on not testing came from the DoH. So no.
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The guidance was around freeing up beds to deal with the overall expected spike in Covid cases. There was no national standard set which would force doctors and trusts to follow certain rules, unless you can show me these?

At the early stages the predictions had a huge range from best to worst case. Best case we could have dealt with it without any additional capacity. Worst case the entire system would collapse. The guidance issued didn’t directly relate to care home residents, again unless you can show me this guidance? But to the overall need to free up capacity.

So I reiterate, the responsibility to make decisions about discharging patients is a clinical decision and lay with the doctors and individual trusts, not with NHS England or the government.
 
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Treble said:
Not saying you were wrong or right about the virus, I actually don't think you'd said anything or given any opinion even, just ripped the piss out of me for giving one.

More the fact it's reminded me how folk were commenting at the time that it was just acceptable to trash the elderly for the sake of others because that was just the way things were in hospitals and we should just accept it. You know that might actually be the case, it might be regular practise in the health service - fck knows - but if it is, it's hardly surprising that it's only a small step towards a mentality where the elderly can be considered acceptable collateral damage in a coronavirus pandemic by the powers that be.
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I mean generally it is the case. Decisions on treatments and the cost of treatments are made on a formula that takes into consideration the number of years of quality life that can be gained from the treatment so naturally the older you get and less effective treatments are the less years of quality life you can get from treatments and so the less likely you are to get the same treatment a younger person would get. The entire health system is built on that decision making mechanism. So it’s no surprise that in a crisis the same types of decision making would be made.
 
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afcftw said:
The guidance was around freeing up beds to deal with the overall expected spike in Covid cases. There was no national standard set which would force doctors and trusts to follow certain rules, unless you can show me these?

At the early stages the predictions had a huge range from best to worst case. Best case we could have dealt with it without any additional capacity. Worst case the entire system would collapse. The guidance issued didn’t directly relate to care home residents, again unless you can show me this guidance? But to the overall need to free up capacity.

So I reiterate, the responsibility to make decisions about discharging patients is a clinical decision and lay with the doctors and individual trusts, not with NHS England or the government.
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... but we can all agree that our Government's initial response and subsequent handling has been the worst of any country in Europe, yeah? ... after all, the stats on infection rates and deaths and, particularly, the devastation in care homes don't lie ... <ok>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
... but we can all agree that our Government's initial response and subsequent handling has been the worst of any country in Europe, yeah? ... after all, the stats on infection rates and deaths and, particularly, the devastation in care homes don't lie ... <ok>
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Until after this has finished and all considerations are made you couldn’t possibly make that call with any certainty, so no.

That doesn’t mean with the full set of facts we won’t be, but at present that isn’t a conclusion that could be drawn.

Again, because I know people love to jump on any comment which doesn’t **** on the government, I’m not asserting that the government are doing a good job or making a comparison with other nations, I’m saying we don’t have good enough information yet to make a valid decision on it.

P.s. that had no relevance to the point I was making
 
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afcftw said:
I mean generally it is the case. Decisions on treatments and the cost of treatments are made on a formula that takes into consideration the number of years of quality life that can be gained from the treatment so naturally the older you get and less effective treatments are the less years of quality life you can get from treatments and so the less likely you are to get the same treatment a younger person would get. The entire health system is built on that decision making mechanism. So it’s no surprise that in a crisis the same types of decision making would be made.
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... well that's OK then ... just a shame that such impersonal factors, combined with an incompetence multiple overlay, were not applied to the case of one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson in terms of best allocation of critical care medical facilities and NHS staff ... stay alert <cheers>
 
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