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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    It’s remarkable how much some of these advisors have done to convert me from someone with a natural inclination to trust science based, ostensibly objective, highly educated experts, into someone who thinks the government is being advised by characters from Harry Potter and the Goblet of Twats.*





    * ©️Daisy May Cooper who has an occasionally brilliant instagram feed. Well, my daughter shared a few with me.
     
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    Absolutely awful. Every day for 7 weeks we were shown the slide comparing deaths to other countries. First of all it was just hospital deaths, the government soon got rumbled on that and added a second line, they soon got rumbled on that and then joined them together. This highlighted the complete balls up they have made so they ****ed it off completely. The science has suddenly changed again.
     
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    It's just cock up after cock up.
     
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    Watch that blood pressure mate, you’ll be having Coronery if ya ain’t careful !!!
     
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    Single decker buses here have maximum of 15 passengers allowed
    Double decker 30
    Most people allowed back to work today
    The roads are going to be chaos today
    Glad I'm starting earlyish today
    It's been great the last two weeks
    20 minutes each way
     
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    The majority are abiding. You always get idiots. With todays social media etc the perception is often worse than the reality as we are all made aware of the breaches
     
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    I can only go by what I see and hear. The traffic has been getting worse week on week for about a month. Lots more people out and about and every time i go out there are more and more flouting the rules. I do absolutely agree with you in regards to things being exaggerated, and the amount of high and mighty judging people they don't know and don't know their situations is ****ing crazy... especially as one bloke on my faceache posted one of those 'I've been in nobody's house and nobody has been in mine' memes, despite him posting a picture less than an hour later showing that to be total bollocks...

    Anyway sadly the public are not to be trusted, the government know this, there was even some twat driving 100 miles to shout at boats!! Yes the public should know better but because of the actions of a minority sadly the rest of us can't be allowed the freedom we would responsibly use.
     
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    I will read that properly when I've finished my fish and chips, chocolate cake and washed down with a pint!.
     
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    This relaxation of a relaxed lockdown could well **** things up even more, both infection wise and economically. The amount of people I have seen in large groups today was astounding. Let's be honest the guidelines are either (a) pathetic or (b) meant to be broken.
    Go to the park exercise as much as you like but only see 1 parent/relative from 2 metres at a time.......erm hows about I go to the park and see all my ****ing relatives at 2 metres.
     
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  10. Sooperhoop

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    Medicinal no doubt...:grin:
     
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    Obviously
     
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    She said that it wasn't as bad as she thought it would be, but it was slightly uncomfortable.
     
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    No, only my daughter was tested at the time Beth. My daughter was tested because she had the runs and lacked energy for a couple of days. I thought that it was a bit over the top and if I was a gambling man would've bet that it would 99.9 % come back negative. She was only really tested to ascertain if my wife could return to work. She was off three weeks in total.
     
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    I would have thought that whatever government was in place, they would have all had to follow the advice of the scientist who would more or less be the same people.
     
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    This is for the politics thread, not on here.
     
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    This is for the politics thread, not on this one.
     
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  17. bobmid

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    Dictatorship
     
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    Sorry. I couldn't miss the moment. Duly noted.
     
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    The CIA believes China tried to prevent the World Health Organization from sounding the alarm on the coronavirus outbreak in January—a time when Beijing was stockpiling medical supplies from around the world. A CIA report, the contents of which were confirmed to Newsweek by two U.S. intelligence officials, said China threatened the WHO that the country would stop cooperating with the agency's coronavirus investigation if the organization declared a global health emergency.

    It was the second such report from a Western intelligence service and is likely to further inflame tensions between the United States and China over a pandemic that has killed 280,000 people worldwide—more than a quarter of them American.

    The first report, a German intelligence assessment published by Der Spiegel last week, accused Chinese President Xi Jinping of personally applying pressure on WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus on January 21.

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    © Naohiko Hatta/Pool/Getty Images WHO Director-General of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (L) attends a meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping at the Great Hall of the People, on January 28 in Beijing, China. The meeting took place as the WHO's International Health Regulations Committee experts deliberated whether or not to recommend the WHO declare a public health emergency of international concern over the novel coronavirus, which they eventually did on January 30.
    The WHO dismissed the notion that Xi himself intervened, but declined to address specifically the question of whether Chinese officials made any effort to delay or change the announcement of a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC).

    "We don't comment on specific discussions with member states but we can say that at all times during the pandemic WHO has acted in accordance with its mandate as an evidence-based technical organization focusing on protecting all people, everywhere," a WHO spokesperson told Newsweek. "WHO bases its recommendations on science, public health best practices, evidence, data, and the advice of independent experts.

    "Dr Tedros did not communicate with President Xi on Jan 20, 21 or 22. Dr Tedros and his senior team met with President Xi in Beijing on Jan. 28," the spokesperson said. "The issue of PHEIC did not come up in that meeting."

    The U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to Newsweek could not say whether President Xi played a role in pressuring the WHO.

    When the WHO declared a public health emergency on January 30, it went to great lengths to say that China had done nothing wrong, an approach that sparked some anger in the West and prompted President Donald Trump to criticize the world health body as "China-centric" before he suspended funding in March.

    "Let me be clear: This declaration is not a vote of no confidence in China. On the contrary, WHO continues to have confidence in China's capacity to control the outbreak," WHO Director-General Tedros Anhanom said at the time.

    "What World Health got away with is unbelievable. They're a pipe organ for China, so I'm going to make a decision very soon," Trump told Republican lawmakers on Friday about the future of the U.S. relationship with the WHO.

    China has been widely criticized for its initial handling of the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, when the government silenced doctors trying to alert the world, accused the U.S. military of starting the outbreak and, according to the Associated Press (AP), delayed the official announcement of the outbreak by six crucial days as people fled the stricken Chinese city, spreading the coronavirus through the world. Chinese death tolls and infection rates are viewed skeptically in the West, and U.S. intelligence agencies have said it is possible that the virus escaped from a Wuhan lab, although no evidence has emerged to support this theory.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry did not respond to Newsweek's requests for comment, but told a press briefing Monday that "the Chinese leader didn't even have such a phone call with the WHO head on January 21" in response to Der Spiegel's report. The Central Intelligence Agency declined Newsweek's request for comment.

    The timeline of the CIA document, called "U.N.-China: WHO Mindful But Not Beholden to China," and the German report dovetail with another analysis conducted by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that said China suppressed information about the outbreak in January so it could hoard medical supplies from around the world. That analysis, first reported by the AP, was dismissed as "groundless" by the Chinese Embassy in Washington in a statement to Newsweek.

    Beijing imported 2.5 billion pieces of epidemic personal protective equipment (PPE)—which included more than 2 billion masks—between January 24 and February 29, according to China's General Administration of Customs. The spike in orders accompanied fervent calls from Beijing's diplomatic missions across the globe to secure supplies as the worlds' most populous country equipped itself against a worsening coronavirus outbreak.

    But the sickness would spread well beyond China's borders, to nearly every country on Earth and some countries that exported PPE to China were left short. Beijing then embarked on a campaign to provide PPE, personnel and other assistance to countries around the world, including the United States.

    China first informed the World Health Organization of a new coronavirus sickening its citizens on December 31, and began formally notifying the U.S. on January 3. On January 20, Beijing first reported instances of human-to-human transmission of the disease—a sign that the coronavirus was more contagious than initially assessed. The WHO held two votes on January 22 and 23 to decide whether to declare a public health emergency, but the committee could not come to a conclusion. A final vote on January 30 made the declaration.

    "The WHO Constitution says that each Member State must 'respect the exclusively international character of the Director-General and the staff and not to seek to influence them' (Article 37)," a WHO spokesman told Newsweek. "We know that every country understands this obligation is critical to WHO's impartiality and neutrality in its global health work.

    "WHO bases its recommendations on science, public health best practices, evidence, data, and the advice of independent experts."

    The novel coronavirus has infected more than 4 million people as of mid-May
     
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    This assumes that they did though. I find it odd that our science is so different from just about every other country’s science if that’s the case.
     
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