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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    Same thing is playing out here.

    Turns out that boris could just shut down parliament whenever he wanted, and there was nothing anyone could do about it.

    Once they lie their way into office, its very hard to stop them doing whatever the hell they want. We are still heavily reliant on Presidents and PM's not doing anti-democratic things on faith/trust.

    But I think these times have proven that if someone doesnt care for protocol or decency, there is ample room in current systems for them to become dangerous.
     
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    the final years of a leaders term tend to be the strongest as they dont have to worry about reelection so you see some of the most controversial legislation passed in this time from healthcare reform through to prisoner releases.

    also i would go with the UK. we had several years with no government at all in NI, scotland having a one party system and that's not even starting on the EU debacle which had poor democracy from all sides. and from my perspective we've lost out ability to make regional decisions democratically at all after losing the EU parliament.
     
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    This is most decidedly untrue in the United States. Yeah, you have end-of-term pardons. You generally have very, very few significant pieces of legislation passed. Presidents in their final years have far less power, because their own party is already looking toward the next election. No one is going to stick their neck out for a leader who will not be on the ballot ever again. Consequently, there's a phenomenon where a lot of presidents in their final couple years turn to international policy, for the simple reason that they don't have to rely on legislation to make an impact in foreign relations.

    What healthcare reform are you referring to? I can't think of any substantial ones in the US that occurred in the final couple years of a president's second term. Presidents in their final two years (after the midterms) aren't referred to as "lame ducks" as an ironic reference to their exceptional political relevance.
     
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  4. saintrichie123

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    This man is a disgusting bully.

     
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  5. Archers Road

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    He’s also the most over sensitive man in the entire world.

    He lashes out whenever journalists ask him “mean questions“. It’s hard to imagine a worse job for somebody like him, than President of the US.
     
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    And yet some of the comments on there are mind boggling.....some think he does no wrong.
     
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  7. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Well yeah, that’s the real worry - people voted for him, and will do again.
     
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    I always thought he was a prick, but he was a prick that took no **** and would take action. But now hes just a prick with no direction but downhill.
     
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    and we have another one of our very own.
     
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    To the weak he appears strong. To the poor he appears rich. To the stupid he appears clever.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that many people are that stupid...
     
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  12. Saints_Alive

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    Not enough Homers and too many Homer Simpsons.
    I saw a redneck trailer trash Trumper from Tennessee interviewed and when she was asked what she thought about Trump suggesting that they shoot up detergents she replied that anybody would be moronic to try it missing the point that she was defending the person that said it!.
     
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    Shooting up detergents would have them foaming at the mouth.
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    On the subject of constitutional limits, the Supreme Court is hearing two cases concerning oversight power: the ability of Congress to subpoena Trump's financial records (Trump v. Mazars) and whether a grand jury subpoena of material tangentially related to the president violates the Constitution (Trump v. Vance. In essence, both cases are asking whether the president is above the law, as applied to literally every other person. Neither of these are novel issues; to explain why it's different this time than every other time these issues have been adjudicated, Trump's lawyers have taken to arguing that the problem with a century of precedent is that it's all too recent.

    And yet, they might well win. Might be better than 50/50, because the court is stacked with partisans.
     
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    I was watching the Churchill film last night, Darkest Hour. The similarities with Pfeffel are striking. But I think because he's trying to imitate Churchill. It seems to me that he shares the weaknesses but not the strengths. The principle one amongst the former is need to be liked and thought successful - good luck with that one!

    The trouble with the current situation is that half the country wants to end lockdown and hang the consequences the rest wants to stay indoors. I bet he didn't foresee this situation five months ago.
     
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  17. Ian Thumwood

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    Without doubt the pandemic has certainly pissed on Boris's chips when it comes to the reputation he will leave behind for posterity. It is interesting to hear Starmer tear in to Boris tonight as it certainly feels that the public is now thinking it has the wrong man in office. I can see Hancock being the initial fall guy for this and would be very surprised if he is still in office after the next month. As I said previously on here, there is nothing for Boris to spin on this instance and every day seems to bring a new disaster to the catalogue of errors which has been witnessed since the end of January. He may try to act like the Churchillian leader yet he was absent for most of March and April as a consequence of not following his scientist's advice. The care home situation is building up to be even more of a national disgrace than the hospitals. Such widely varying media outlets from the Telegraph, The Guardian and Channel Four news all strike me as having Boris within their sights and it is inevitable that more catastrophically poor decisions by the government will come to light.

    In times of a national crisis, the nation needs to have confidence that things are under control even if this is not the case. The devolved parliaments strike me as having a sensible approach to the disaster and although I am not fan of Nicola Sturgeon, her cautious approach strikes me as eminently sensible. The next crisis will relate to the return to work and a serious rise in infection levels. Expect these to centre around people who use public transport , work in manufacturing or are site-based construction workers. There will be a spike as we have seen in South Korea last week and it does not need a great step in imagination to see this being the headline news for the UK at the beginning of June. I was informed today that suppliers are struggling to provide PPE for construction because all supplies are being prioritised by the NHS. It seems perverse that Boris is expecting the construction sites to start opening when safe working conditions will struggle to be maintained because the supplies to protect the operatives are not readily available, even if suppliers had assured that this would not be problematic a few days ago.

    We are seeing one disastrous error after the other with Boris. There is a growing consensus that he is the wrong man for the job amongst the people I encounter in my job. I am convinced he will turn against Hancock initially as the Health secretary's days in office already look numbered but I reiterate the comment I made last week that Boris will be binned by his party before the summer is out. The comparisons with Churchill will be irrelevant as Johnson's place in history will be more akin to Nero.
     
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  18. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    Who is the more foolish the fool or those who believe him?

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  19. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    Lol the most worrying part of that photo is that there is no photoshop or any clever filter applied. It is a real shot of the Prime Minister of the UK.
     
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  20. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Johnson wanted to be King. Surely we must have an uninhabited atoll in the middle of the Pacific Ocean that we can send him to be King. We have to do something quickly to save the lives of our countrymen and women. This fiasco has gone far enough. I don't want our people to die through his incompetence and negligence. He has to go.
     
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