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  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    Sorry mate......sometimes my hatred of upper management gets the better of me ;)
     
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    I’m afraid a sentiment I share only too well.
    We call ourselves CPOs C3PO more like.
    Many of my peers couldn’t be trusted to buy a loaf of bread - Don’t know why I’m always invited to these Leadership boards - especially as I tell them I hate the bastards- they’re all blaggers - me included :-(
     
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    Stan and others...
    Did you notice on todays charts shown at the briefing...our second line (total deaths) which lags behind our hospital deaths (our first line data), has diverged from the Europe line (of Spain/Italy/France), and is going towards the USA line.

    Basically it means, although our hospital deaths are close to the European norm, our total deaths are far in excess of the other European countries.
    That is just awful. It means we have done something wrong, I suspect releasing older people into the care home system from hospital right at the start.
    This is so sad and so devasting. Really hitting home now.. sorry
     
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  4. Goldhawk-Road

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    From the Spectator:

    Only a week after its easing began with the reopening of shops and schools, Germany may have to re-tighten its lockdown because the virus is spreading too fast. The country’s virus reproduction rate – measuring how many the average person with Covid-19 infects – has increased to 1.0. Any value above 1.0 is seen as leading to an exponential increase in infections. Angela Merkel has said a rise to 1.2 could mean hospitals reach a crisis point in July: 'If we get to 1.2 people, so everyone is infecting 20 per cent more, out of five people one infects two and the rest one, then we will reach the limit of our healthcare system in July'. With the reproduction rate central to UK government discussions on an exit strategy, this will be taken as a worrying sign.
     
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    I wasn’t watching but it was drawn to my attention. It’s still just an absolute number comparison though isn’t it, not a deaths per million, and we still, now, don’t know if we are comparing like for like, though I’m pretty sure the French figures have always included community as well as hospital deaths.

    Sadly though it wouldn’t surprise me if our rates were worse than elsewhere, or at least the countries we would normally compare ourselves to.
     
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  6. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

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    But it isn’t the Government’s supply chain, the supply chain is part private and part NHS, it’s fully run by them, the NHS procurement manager is wholly responsible, the Government doesn’t own any trucks or truck drivers or transport managers, so it cannot be their fault, which is why I stated they’d drafted the army in and in fairness the said supply chain is operating slightly better, and yes I agree management are to blame, but again as you know Joe Bloggs will be blamed as usual cause that’s what upper management do, I don’t blame poor Joe Bloggs, you don’t either, most on here won’t but some smug bastard on £££££££ more than Joe will, in my opinion it’s how your average manager survives, he kisses the arse above him and kicks the arse below him it’s all he usually knows.:emoticon-0103-cool:
     
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    Are we still going with the assertion that PPE isn’t being delivered because the trucks turned up during the post room’s lunch break?
     
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    OK things are now officially desperate, I have just received a message via LinkedIn from NHS Professionals asking if I would be keen to go back to work in a clinical setting to ‘help out’.

    Obviously I’m keen to help out, but the last time I worked in the NHS was 1996, and then in a definitively non clinical role......let’s hope this is a rare glitch in their profiling!
     
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    I had a job with them during sixth form in a call centre in Watford. Was an absolute joke and grossly overpaid.
     
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  10. Treble

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    How can the NHS management be responsible for the PPE distribution to private Care Homes? Of course the buck stops at the government!
     
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    How can the government be responsible for what private care homes do or don't order?
     
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  12. Treble

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    I never mentioned do or don't orders. The government are accountable however for making sure the PPE equipment is available and distributed to them when they need it.
     
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    IS THERE A SHORTAGE OF VENTILATORS IN WALES

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    Staggering. Only 14% of the ventilators that were promised to Wales as part of the UK procurement have been delivered.

    Westminster’s broken promises and Welsh Government’s failure to demand better for Wales has once again left us short changed.

    Second fiddle again.
     
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  14. Goldhawk-Road

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    During a pandemic, but not outside that
     
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    We are in a pandemic though.
     
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    But stockpiling takes place outside it
     
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    Are you suggesting they should have stocked up in preparation for a pandemic when no one advised them to? No one is saying that they were short of PPE for normal purposes, until a worldwide shortage was caused by a........pandemic.
     
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    bloody tories

    German doctors pose naked in protest at PPE shortages
    Group says nudity is ‘a symbol of how vulnerable we are without protection’


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    screengrab of naked protest by German GPs because of lack of PPE during the covi=d 19 outbreak/ Photograph: blankebedenken
    A group of German doctors have posed naked in an attempt to draw attention to shortages of protective clothing and equipment.

    Calling their protest Blanke Bedenken, or Naked Qualms, members of the group said they felt at risk from coronavirus and claimed their calls for help over several months had gone unheeded.

    Ruben Bernau, a GP in the group, told the Ärztezeitung that he and his practice team were insufficiently equipped to deal with the virus. “The nudity is a symbol of how vulnerable we are without protection,” he said.

    The doctors posed in their practices, taking cover behind files, toilet rolls, medical equipment and prescription blocks.


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    Alain Colombié, whose ‘cannon fodder’ protest inspired the German group. Photograph: Dominique Colombié/AFP via Getty Images
    Christian Rechtenwald, who also has a GP practice, said the group had been inspired by the actions of a French doctor, Alain Colombié, who was photographed naked in his practice after describing himself and fellow doctors as “cannon fodder” in the fight against the pandemic.

    Jana Husemann, another GP, said: “Of course we want to continue treating patients who still need to receive a close examination.” For that she required proper PPE, she said.

    One doctor said she was “trained to sew up wounds” and asked: “Why am I now having to sew my own face mask?”

    German doctors have repeatedly appealed for more PPE since the arrival of the virus in Germany in late January.

    German firms that make protective clothing have upped their production capacities but have been unable to meet demand. Medical practices, clinics and care homes have made frequent requests for filter masks, goggles, gloves and aprons and say their needs have barely been met.

    Medical staff have also reported widespread theft of disinfectant and masks from hospitals, for which police have blamed organised criminal gangs. Many hospitals have increased their security as a result.

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    A recent study by an association of German health insurers found that doctors were lacking more than 100m single-use masks, almost 50m filter masks, more than 60m single-use aprons, and a similar number of disposable gloves.

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    Demand for PPE has differed strongly from region to region, with North Rhine Westphalia and Bavaria among the most in need.

    Marc-Pierre Möll, the chief executive of the German Medical Technology Association, called on the government to support a structured increase in domestic production.

    “If such organisation was politically desired and there were guaranteed quantities for fair prices, there would be no difficulties,” Möll told German media.

    The government has responded by saying it plans to centralise the procurement of PPE.

    On its Twitter feed @BlankeBedenken, the protest group said Germany had claimed to be well resourced in its coronavirus fight. “But the protective clothing, disinfectant and single-use masks were soon not to be had. Despite their concerns about they and their patients being insufficiently protected against contracting the virus, across the country GPs and their teams are caring for people.”
     
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  19. Bwood_Ranger

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    Not sure how or where the average care home is meant to stockpile but it would solve the distribution issue I guess if it was already there all of the time.
     
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    Other countries aren’t perfect albeit more perfect than us. That’s got a be worth a few points for Boris in the polls and proves a no deal Brexit is the way to go.
     
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