Off Topic Coronavirus

Yes, But I was assuming that as this is what actually kills people who died ‘of’ COVID19, they were recorded as COVID19 deaths. There are a large number of additional deaths that are not being recorded as COVID19 deaths, presumably they have something else on the death certificate. Why are they happening (not expecting an answer!) and more importantly why on Earth aren’t we talking about it?

 

It's not my Video beth I just posted it. If I had done that the graphics would have been better (although I am no expert on those things). I do like his points about the lockdown and effects. I keep reading how more deaths will result in a prolonged lockdown? I take your points on discipline as well. I said to Sb that in South Korea they were not having big parties and breaking the rules but obeyed the guidelines.

 

Sorry Beth I’m a bit confused.....so are you now saying that ‘herd immunity’ would of been a good thing or a bad thing ? All with hindsight....?
I’m still thinking if contact would of been controlled, while of course protecting the old and vulnerable...it could of been the right way forward if those in charge would of stuck to their guns.

 

They did have coronavirus just not Covid-19? I will read article

 

It’s almost as if me and Jezza are living in your head Ellers.....and neither of us is paying you rent

 

But the vast majority who die of/with COVID have got comorbidities in the first place.

 

In current circumstances coronavirus and COVID19 are the same thing Ellers. Coronavirus is the family name for this type of virus, COVID19 is the specific version we are experiencing - it stands for Corona Virus Disease 2019.

 

I wasn't offended mate (well maybe just a bit). As I said, though, I agree with Stainesy's post.

 

I know that Sb and not being pedantic here but Coronavirus has been around for some time. My point was that for all we know something from that 'family' may have been finishing off people without it being recorded like it is now.

On that recording of deaths I had, it confirmed yesterday via my friend who works in Germany (Pharma). from his colleague who works in a hospital there said they do record their deaths differently to us. In fact, they find our way 'strange'.

 

350 hospital deaths today (although it is Monday).

 

Sorry Stainsy I am a bit confusing...My brain jumps faster than I can type

I really believed in herd immunit at the start. As I thought it would not be too bad, and the majority would get a "cold", a few would get "flu", and a few would be hospitalised with respiratory symptoms and may or may not die. But so many would have mild symptoms that it would pass through the majority of the population ...people would become immune and so the transmission rate would decrease, but not many would die.



I had no idea, that there would be a second part of the infection...where 2 weeks after infection, the persons body attacks itself with antibodies and cytokines and essentially tries to wipe out the whole body. That can only be treated in hospital, and there is not much even the hospital can do except it it out and maintain the persons body whilst the battle is raging. That will overcome our hospitals too quickly.


I was wrong. The herd immunity idea would not work (in society as we hare today as it is more destructive than I thought and too many people would die, if we let it go through our community without checking.

So I have changed my mind. 21st century Britain, could not have taken the results of herd immunity concept.
We had to go with lockdown.

Is that any better...sorry

 

Much better Beth and a very clear answer that will make me go away and have a think on my views. Not saying I’ll change my mind but hearing that from someone like yourself who has knowledge in these matters....it’s definitely good for thought.
Thankyou

 

With this post and some of your earlier ones, are you not demonstrating just how hellishly difficult this whole thing is?

 

Absolutely Col. 100% right I am not denying that. You are so right on that fact.
It is a new virus, we know little about it or the disease it causes...or how it is really transmitted


I am reacting to what I read; I am not on the front line, and information I get trickles through, some of my information is wrong. Much of the info we get is distorted. We are only given some information not others. (telling us how many have died might be a too bitter pill to take at the moment). They also have all the information days before we do

I am not an epidemiologist, or a pandemic a modeller, although I worked with two ( and one of them is on COBRA and listened to some of what they said). One of them said in January, how bad it was going to be...and I pooooed him. I have grovellingly apologised to him too.

The experts have got all the info, and more, they have the best computers and most up to date info. They do know best. I do not know best.
But I was asked for my opinion and right or wrong, I must say that I still feel that we have been slow and indecisive.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/news...covid-call-centre/ar-BB13fJuc?ocid=spartandhp

We've had a 2nd under 25 years old die from COVID 19 and a teenager rushed to ICU and intubated...…..

It really is indiscriminate and younger people need to cop on...….

 

I think the experts can only be experts on the information provided by the WHO, Chinese government and the EU. If they withhold information then we can act on guess-mates.
Also, based upon earlier comments on here about number of deaths, whilst I think has been completely wrong for the ill to go to the care homes, the care home managers do have a say on whether they can accommodate more residents and the money the resident brings in with them.
And if we are expecting more deaths than we already have, the USA have over 50 thousand, Italy and France have also had very high numbers...then China with only 3500...….

 

Is it not still true that the vast majority of deaths from the virus are amongst people either with other existing conditions or those who have had extended exposure to it, Beth? You described in an earlier post the concept of viral load and I took this to mean that it would take continued and extended exposure to the virus to cause serious illness or death in otherwise healthy people. Is this not the case?

 

Also we aren’t expected to get it right. We’re the amateurs and they are the ones paid handsomely to get at least most of it right. I’m a terrible footballer compared to Marc Pugh but I can still suggest he had a dreadful game.

 

So Boris comes back and says we need to stick to the lockdown then just a few hours later Greggs announces they are going to start reopening stores.

(Lockdown. What lockdown?)

 

Why shouldn't they? If shops and stores can facilitate distancing, I don't see why shouldn't be open.