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How will the season pan out

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by SpursDisciple, Mar 14, 2020.

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Should we fix positions as they are?

Poll closed Mar 21, 2020.
  1. Yes, it's only fair on the teams that have done

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  2. No, relegation and euro places may change

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  3. Somehow we must play the final games even behind closed doors

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  1. BuzzardFoxMick

    BuzzardFoxMick Well-Known Member

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    Thanks but here is the basis of what I was trying to say

    Personal lifeEdit

    Lewis has been married twice. His first marriage to Esther Browne ended in divorce. They had two children: Vivienne Lewis Silverton and Charles Lewis. Vivienne Lewis Silverton is seen as his "heir"[5] and serves on Tavistock's board of directors.[22][23]She is divorced from Toby Silverton, the former chairman of Bristol Cars, once fully owned by Tavistock.[24][25][26] Charles Lewis lives in Argentina,[5] Lewis is now married to Jane Lewis.[5] Lewis was heavily criticized for Tottenham’s decision to furlough 550 non-playing staff members during the coronavirus pandemic. Using merely the expenditures Lewis uses on fuel for his private plane fleet in a year, he could pay the staff for the rest of 2020 [27]
     
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  2. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    I ain't the hypocrite mate...and I NEVER said you were poorly run now...I was referring to 2002 when you went bust.

    You claimed your club repaid its debts to the ambulance service, builders of your stadium and local businesses which they did not whereas I have slaughtered my clubs behaviour and made it clear that if they do not reverse their decision then I will end my decades of membership (as will all my family) and will not go to games, become a member again or spend money on club merchandise (books etc) until Levy ****s off.

    I have no beef with you but back in 2002 Leicester got a stadium which they could not afford, financially screwed over local businesss and services and your "classy" owners never made any of that right.

    As for my googling, they were put there as an example of the community work the club is involved in ... that was not to defend the club but simply to point out that all clubs do things in the community (after you put googled articles up showing Leicester gave money to the local NHS).

    I could have pointed out that as of last November only 5 Premier league clubs were committed to being Living Wage employers...Spurs were one ... Leicester were not!
    (Spurs hadn't been accredited as yo have to do it for a period of time before being accredited)

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BBAB&usg=AOvVaw2gkfBwj4QKIw6QxIXoWCgR&ampcf=1

    We have also had players and management staff helping out with food distribution and the club has given the free use of the ground to food charities and the NHS.

    Imho NONE of this excuses my club's decision to cut the pay of staff by 20%...or using the furloughed scheme...just like Leicester's community work does not justify not paying money back to those who lost out back in 2002. Like spurs, Leicester get over £100m per year from tv money so could have repaid that money.

    Finally, re Ranieri...
    My point was that I dont not think it was an act of class but I guess will simply have to disagree.

    Sorry for such a long response
    Stay safe
     
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  3. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Is the Lesta supporter offering himself as a living example of
    the phrase "entering nosebleed territory" ?? :)
     
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  4. Blue and White

    Blue and White Well-Known Member

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  5. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Sensible move although it will financially cripple and end some clubs.

    Until there’s a vaccine you can’t start up sport, even if it was played behind closed doors it would create too many issues with crowds of people congregating etc.
     
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  6. Blue and White

    Blue and White Well-Known Member

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    The whole talk of playing 'behind closed doors' doesn't sit well with me and the idea that football is entertainment. It is not the right sort of entertainment on television. And not all games will be shown live.
     
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  7. The Huddlefro

    The Huddlefro Well-Known Member

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    I would hope that part of any deal to play behind closed doors would include every match being streamed live. If it allows the clubs to at least make some revenue then it might be the only option to continue, assuming clubs manage to get all the necessary players and staff tested.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Weirdly enough I haven’t even missed the football, I guess subconsciously our form and the fact I’m not enjoying the new stadium probably does play a part but I thought I’d be going crazy without a football fix, TV or Live. Only thing I’m missing is the social aspects, me and the boys have a good laugh pre and post games either by having a few beers in the pub or games of pool at the snooker club.

    I do agree with King though in that sport shouldn’t be restarted until a vaccine is produced or the virus is gone completely, which won’t be any time soon.
     
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  9. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    I have lifelong relationships with friends and family that are really going to struggle without football, especially Spurs. However, they'll pick up once things are back to 'normal'...if they get back to how they were.

    I'm not interested in football without fans in the stadium. That's ****ing rubbish and a starter for games played at weird hours to suit the Asian market. At that point, I'm out.
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    Wrestling's been really weird in recent weeks: WWE have put on shows at their Performance Centre with no crowds, which is weird enough for their regular TV shows but was utterly surreal for WrestleMania, while AEW have been bouncing around venues in states where lockdown measures aren't so strict (because they didn't bung the government an $18m bribe to be deemed an "essential business" like WWE did) where the crowd is made up of member of their roster not in matches trying to make some crowd noise

    The one league where there might not be an issue, however, is the Bundesliga - considering their crowd chants are so regimented that playing a recorded version over the PA system would be identical to the usual matchday experience
     
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  11. The Changing Man

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    I am another who has not missed the football as much I thought I would. I am also not that worried by the lockdown, I am still going to work (the railways being a key industry) and when we are home the garden and some much needed decorating are keeping me busy.

    Listening to todays briefing I don't think that any football will be played until social distancing has been completely ended, which looks like it will be some time yet.

    As for completing this season I am amused that many people insist that for the integrity of the game the season has to be completed. And that if need be the matches should be played behind closed doors and that point integrity goes out of the window to my mind as football played in matches without supporters is not the same game and whilst fans don't win matches they can be a massive influence and I don't think that the results in empty grounds would be replicate those in full partisan stadia.
     
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  12. SpursDisciple

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    So UEFA have decreed that Leagues should try to complete the season or "Should this outcome not be possible, in particular due to calendar issues, it would be preferable that suspended domestic competitions would restart with a different format in a manner which would still facilitate clubs to qualify on sporting merit." (whatever that means), but the cruncher is UEFA also confirmed that should the 2019/20 campaign not be concluded, they will require each individual National Association concerned to select clubs for the UEFA club competitions in the 2020/21 campaign based on sporting merit in the 2019/20 domestic competitions.

    I hope that is defend-able in Court, as surely clubs like Spurs will challenge this?
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

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    Anyone trust these ****ers to do things fairly or consistently? I certainly don't.
     
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  14. Roo

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    No Lawyer in the world would be able to make a case for us! We’re ****! <laugh>
     
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  15. SpursDisciple

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    Luckily that is not provable in law
     
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  16. PowerSpurs

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    There is no single mechanism that would do it 'fairly'. An all play all league system eliminates unfairness. If some matches are not played then almost any system you adopt instead will have some sort of bias. It's easy to see why....Arsenal have one point fewer than us but have played a game less. They are averaging more than a point a game so obviously they will be above us on adjusted points. But we've played each of Man City and Liverpool twice and they still have to play both and us away. So perhaps they should adjust the points based on predicted future results. I think we'd very likely get more points from our last 9 games than they will get from their last ten. But how would you fairly predict? There is no unambiguously fair way to do it. Exactly the same applies to any other pair of clubs. And certainly the 4th CL spot and all the EL ones.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    The UEFA and FA regulations forbid the use of litigation on court. Arbitration is compulsory.
     
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  18. Billy The Spur

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    There is no way this season can be completed 100% fairly or safely, nor in accordance with the rules set out, it has been compromised due to all the inconsistencies and variables that are at work. Trying to complete the season (however that may be) with all the advantages and disadvantages some clubs would either enjoy or suffer, would be wholly unfair. You can not change the rules of any competition part way through a season and consider it still valid, right and proper. However this mess is sorted out, it can never done with 100% equality and justice. It would be unfair to promote or relegate clubs under the circumstance of a start-stop and improper season. For me, this season can not be allowed to affect the full completion of next season or go past June and have the problem of contracts ending etc. Nothing has yet been decided, nobody has been promoted or relegated. In my opinion, the fairest and safest solution, which causes the least amount of headache and detriment, is to void the season with a clean break and have no European competitions next season, (if they insist on having CL and EL, then use the highest UEFA coefficient ranking clubs from each league), and divide any merit payments for the season up equally. Far fewer clubs will feel `cheated` or `hard done by` if it is voided, any other outcome and you have far more clubs with something to complain about. I am sure the money men will be pushing to complete the season at all costs and the authorities can not be seen to be voiding or cancelling a season prematurely, but for me the season now has lost its integrity and is largely insignificant.
     
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  19. PleaseNotPoll

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    Arsenal still had to play Liverpool, City, Leicester, Wolves, us and face their inevitable loss at St Mary's.
    It's only fair to relegate them. <ok>
     
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  20. Blue and White

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    Newcastle with their new owners ( if approved ) surely deserve a European place next season. ( talking of money men )
     
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