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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. OddRiverOakWizards

    OddRiverOakWizards Well-Known Member

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    Live aid might not be too safe now!!
     
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  2. - Doing The Lambert Walk

    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

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    Confirmed: UK lockdown extended for three further weeks
     
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  3. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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  4. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    It's all LIES .

    a VERY Close friend is a district nurse .

    She goes in to see patients at home( With the full PPE ) , the carers are sat there with a pair of gloves and that's all the so called PPE they have !

    She is not the only one reporting this :(
     
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  5. StJabbo1

    StJabbo1 Well-Known Member

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    My last words Billy. Of course tests and labs shortages are a contributory factor there's not enough to test then track and trace contacts that's been paramount in countries with a low death rate. Let alone do the testing that's being cried out for by frontline staff.
    There is a lack of ICU beds, ventilators and staff hence the rush to manufacture or buy more and retrain because those returning are behind the latest procedures.
    https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/nhs-hospital-bed-numbers
    "Most other advanced health care systems have also reduced bed numbers in recent years. However, the UK has fewer acute beds relative to its population than many comparable health system"

    From the daily mail, of all sources.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tensive-care-nurses-patients-scaled-back.html
    "NHS nurses in swamped intensive care units are being stretched to look after up to six patients each during the coronavirus crisis."
    Strict guidance dished out to every hospital says the ratio of critical care nurses to patients should be one-to-one.
    Leading experts have warned the emergency guidance to relax the ratio to six-to-one because of a lack of nurses will 'dilute the standard of care'.
    However, health chiefs claim they have had no choice but to implement the drastic measures to care for critically ill patients.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51714498
    Health Secretary Matt Hancock said this week that more than 2,500 extra critical care beds had been made available (not including those in temporary hospitals).
    A deal has already been done with the private sector to get access to 1,200 ventilators used in their hospitals, while ventilators for children are being repurposed and theatre ventilators that are no longer needed for routine surgery are being used as well.
    It means there are around 8,000 ventilators in use currently.
    But thousands more have been ordered from existing suppliers, while Dyson has agreed to try to make 10,000 for the NHS although it could be months before these are available.
    How they will be staffed remains unclear. Rules are being relaxed to allow non-intensive care specialists to be paired with specialists, and staff-to-patient ratios may also need to be reduced."
    https://www.theguardian.com/society...onavirus-patients-for-healthier-ones-bma-says
    "Virus patients more likely to die may have ventilators taken away"
    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/14/world/europe/ap-eu-virus-outbreak-britain.html

    "Caroline Abrahams, director of the charity Age U.K., said the government’s daily updates “are airbrushing older people out like they don’t matter.”
    "Age U.K. and other charities have written to Health Secretary Matt Hancock, calling social care “the neglected front line” in the virus pandemic"
    "Anita Astle, manager of the Wren Hall Care Home in central England, said the toll on her staff was “horrendous.
    We’re seeing people die prematurely, and that’s really hard to watch,” she told ITV. “We’ve had nine deaths, and (with) each death it’s getting harder to do what we’re doing."
    "This is not good death," she said. “People are away from their loved ones. Normally care homes around the country are places that are buzzing with joy and excitement and at the moment they’re empty — visitors, families, aren’t coming in.”
    "Like many care homes across the country, Astle said hers had struggled to get adequate protective equipment for staff. Many homes also are seeing staff shortages as many workers fall ill or have to self-isolate."

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  6. greensaint

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    Wow

    out of here.
     
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  7. StJabbo1

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    Wise GS head and brick walls.
     
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  8. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Hoo-****ing-ray...
     
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  9. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    Piss off you patronising moron.

    The fact remains, you cant see the point someone else was making, so it must be banging a head against a wall.
     
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  10. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    What sort of response is that? Why the ‘wow’?

    I think there has been distortion of the PPW and ventilators, and several points missed
     
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  11. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    You know what, we clearly see things differently. You totally missed my point.

    None of what you painstakingly posted above says anyone HAS died due to lack of ventilators or beds. They are making more as more people will need them.

    If you are so in to proving your point, please find the info that relates to deaths being due to people not having ventilators or beds.

    The stuff about doctors having to make a choice over who lives and who dies, to my knowledge is still hypothetical- “Virus patients more likely to die MAY have ventilators taken away.”

    The other part of my point was PPE and the lack of it has spread the virus and not killed anyone.

    Those are the facts I said, nothing else, so stop trying to make a point that isn’t there.

    Anyhow, as you said, let’s leave it there, as it will still give you and the other moaners on here something else to complain about.
     
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  12. StJabbo1

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    Should have made that blue but got the rise, by the the way you did call me ridiculous earlier and a moron now never mind. I can see your point it's debunked. People have died and will continue to do because of a combination of shortages and inept handling from handshaking spaffer and his incompetent cronies.
     
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  13. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    Now now, Be careful and not disingenuous. Go back and check what i wrote - I never called you ridiculous, “Where are the lack of ventilators? Lack of beds? Trained staff are coming back into frontline healthcare to support - that is quite frankly ridiculous to complain about that when this hit every country like a freight train.”

    Big difference, but hey, i am debunked :emoticon-0105-wink:

    oh, and now people have died because of Boris Johnson and the rest of the Government. It of course had nothing to do with over 90% of people having on average 2.7 other underlying major health issues that, when attacked by Covid-19, are lethal.

    I am happy if you want to reply, to get something off your chest, but I wont be responding, I think we are too far apart, and you know what, I expect the truth lies somewhere in between.
     
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    Good effort today lads, loving the passion, you've all earned a rest.
    Same time tomorrow? <laugh>
     
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  15. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    Nah i wont be making it, my laptop may be given to someone who may live longer than me.
     
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  16. VocalMinority

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    If we have more beds and PPE and the like it means the NHS can take in more people rather than advising them to stay at home even with bad symptoms which would have in turn saved lives. Our lateness in preparing tests is the big killer though as there are people at home dying or spreading it without even knowing they had the virus.
     
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  17. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Exactly. As I pointed out the other day, the countries with the best results so far, like Germany, China, and South Korea, have all had a huge programme of testing, contact tracing, and isolation, which we have been far too late in implementing. Germany has had under 4,000 deaths so far, less than a third of the UK, with a far bigger population.
     
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  18. ihatemyselfandwanttodie

    ihatemyselfandwanttodie Well-Known Member

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    I agree, we really messed up not testing and tracing.
     
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  19. thereisonlyoneno7

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  20. StJabbo1

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    It's not one thing in isolation along with testing beds, staff and equipment levels are all contributing factors
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