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Off Topic Kier Starmer Labour Leader

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  1. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Surely everyone can comprehend how it spreads and why staying in is going to help.
     
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    Spurious newspaper articles? I listened to Stanley Johnson say he would still go into pubs, I listened to Boris Johnson say that the virus wouldn't stop him from shaking hands and that he had visited a Hospital with Coronavirus patients and shook hands with everyone and I watched Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, giving evidence to the Coronavirus Select Committee when the question about allowing people to die was raised.

    The advice from the Government has been consistent since they decided to follow WHO advice more closely, it certainly wasn't consistent before that, our preparation and planning is four weeks behind what it could have been had we followed the advice in February, we are following now. Germany are testing 500,00 people per week, we have neither the tests available to match that, nor sufficient equipment to analyse the tests that are taken.
     
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    So on that basis there is 1000s dying all over the world and it’s on its way here and our government tells us to ignore it you would go along with that because that’s what they told you to do. God help us.
     
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  4. Montysoptician

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    I think you need to read my posts again <laugh>
     
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  5. rooch 3

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    Cheers mate but once was enough <ok>
     
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  6. Montysoptician

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    It may help you understand rather than spout rubbish about my post, if you read it rather than looking at one single line <ok>
     
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  7. The Norton Cat

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    I see what you're saying. I still wouldn't call that mixed messages though. A slow response to the seriousness of it maybe, but not mixed messages.
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

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    You actually saying that health minister Hancock stating on Question Time that it is fine to drive somewhere nice to exercise and walk dogs is not a mixed message to what they have been saying previously?
     
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  9. Montysoptician

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    We all have different views and I fully respect yours, I don't agree on the mixed messages bit, but I do respect your view, stay safe <ok>
     
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    Likewise! You stay safe too
     
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    Think he’s a fookin lightweight mesel.

    Nandy was the only one accepting why they lost, and wanting to challenge the left.

    Labour is just about finished, and Starmer the Arch Anti-Brexiteer, could finish them for good.

    Worse than Michael Foot if you ask me!!

    Bart
     
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  12. MrRAWhite

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    He is as different to Michael Foot as you will get.
     
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    He’s different to Foot but equally as lightweight!!

    Bart
     
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  14. polyphemus

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    At least he is an improvement on Corbin.

    However, he will need to capture the centre ground if Labour are to form a Government.
    Nothing in his short political career so far shows that this is likely, but people, particularly ambitious political people, can change.

    For me he started badly when, in what may have been his first 'soundbite reaction' to news that Somerset Capital, Rees-Moggs former employer, was advising Investors how to take advantage of the Stock Market drop.

    His response was what you would have expected from Corbin.
    Somewhat divorced from reality, and adding nothing to anything.
    As a former QC and before becoming DPP, he will have been lobbing into a Private Pension Fund.
    What would he have the Managers of his fund do?
    Watch their Funds disappear away or protect them?

    We should get a better idea of his thinking when he announces his Shadow Cabinet.
    If he makes Dianne Abbot Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, he's doomed.:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  15. flandersmackem

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    I'm OK with Starmer, all my life I have been a Labour supporter, but last 2 elections I would have had to vote for the Tories, something that would have had my dear old dad spinning in his grave. If the Blair Years (remember Blair the most successful Labour leader of all time) taught us anything, it is that the country will only vote a party in who is hovering around the middle ground, and far left or far right will never work. Labour needs to completely rid itself of the likes of Corbyn, Abbot, Long Bailey and that total moron Ian Lavery. Common Sense has to become the norm.
     
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  16. polyphemus

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    I agree with every word.

    The big snag though is that the majority of 'Middle of the Road' people are not interested in taking part in politics.
    If you have ever been part of a large Union you will know that the meetings are, to put it mildly, poorly attended.
    I imagine that local Party Meetings are the same.
    So it's not hard for minorities to gain control.
    In very general terms the people who are prepared to put the time and work into the running of the local Party tend to be those that have very firm left wing views.
    And them and their type, in effect, control The Party.

    This is a circle that is almost impossible to square.
    Tony Blair achieved it, in part at least, by luck.
    He was the right man in the right place at the right time and came across as being rather more left wing than he turned out to be.
    Perhaps Sir Kier will be too.

    Hope Costs NOWT.
     
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  17. rooch 3

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    I think he’s doomed already needed a complete change of thinking for me if they intend to recapture voters.
     
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  18. rooch 3

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    Sorry mate misunderstood what you meant <ok>
     
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  19. Montysoptician

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    No bother, worse things happen at sea <ok> stay safe <ok>
     
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  20. rooch 3

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    You as well mate <ok>
     
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