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  1. Lovearsenalcock

    Lovearsenalcock Homeboy
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    He’s obviously not right in the head

    he’s got Kane as role model on a daily basis with the way he lives his life

    French 3rd division beckons
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's not a surprise that, when the team is crying out for a striker yet the manager is refusing to play the internationally capped pick of the academy, their response is to wonder why the **** they bother
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    So he has a **** mentality then... “This isn’t fair, I’m not gonna bother”.
     
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  4. Lovearsenalcock

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    So what you’re saying is

    It’s ok to act like a prick because you’re not getting picked?

    I think you’re a prime example of one of them fans who’s just got it in for Jose

    secret summersaults when we lose?
     
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  5. The Changing Man

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    Oh yeah, should have read the article more closely - says he might consider moving this summer as he only has a year left after that!
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

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    Nobody complained about Luke Shaw's mentality

    Oh wait, one Portuguese bloke complained about Luke Shaw's mentality. Endlessly. For months.
    No, I'm saying that when a team is lacking a striker and the obvious solution to that isn't even getting on the bench, it's no surprise that the player's confidence takes a hit, and when a player's confidence takes a hit they coincidentally become less motivated. Take a look at what QPR fans are saying about Jack Clarke: that he's playing like somebody severely lacking in confidence, a lack of confidence fuelled in no small part by Leeds giving him the grand total of 19 minutes in the league this season, and we've heard similar in the past from Wednesday fans about Josh Onomah

    I can't remember who said it on here last week, but one guaranteed way to let Parrott show that he has the mentality to break through is to...actually get him on the pitch to show he has the mentality to break through

    More than anything else, if mentality is so important, why hasn't Toby been dropped to the bench for a few games due to his lackadaisical approach to defending this season?
     
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  7. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Unsurprisingly seeing as the guy clearly indulged in way too many takeaways at the time.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    He was hardly the only player at Man Utd at the time you could say that about, as Ibrahimovic looked like a Teletubby at times that season

    This is the real issue: it's one thing for fans to have a lightning rod to vent all their frustrations at what the team do, a ****ty thing but a thing nonetheless, but when a manager does likewise it's self-defeating as you're sapping the confidence of what could be an asset on the pitch - and, as I said to Spurlock, where is the public challenge for Toby to prove he can be bothered to be a centre back for 90 minutes for a change?
     
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  9. KingHotspur

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    Imagine being a young kid and your team has no strikers at all yet your manager still won’t give you a chance.

    It’s easy to say Parrott doesn’t have the right mentality but none of us know him. The manager has previous when it comes to doing this sort of thing with players.
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Zlatan hit 17 league goals in his first season for Utd then got injured in his second season. At his age I think he showed great physical form. He’s still going strong at 38.

    As for Toby, I’ve been going on a one-man crusade of late (although CK did seemingly join the party) by insisting Toby’s been **** and costing us far too much. I’d applaud any decision to bench him.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Imagine being a young kid and going to Dubai for a piss up with with a drug lord’s son when there’s a potential opening to get game time if you show the right attitude and work hard in training. Then still supposedly not showing enough on return. The only person we should be blaming for Parrott not playing is the player himself, not the manager.

    The manager has also shown that if you apply yourself correctly you’ll get chances. Tanganga has forced his way into this side so much so that most of us would rather he start over a senior Belgian international. The kid has started against Pool, City and Chelsea too so it’s not even as if he’s been drip feed by Jose.
     
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  12. KingHotspur

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    He didn’t break any rules by going to Dubai did he? I don’t particularly care who he hangs out with. The club gave him a new contract so he can’t be that ‘off the rails’. We have no strikers so why not give him a few starts or even bring him off the bench in games.
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Of course not but when you want to establish yourself you make sacrifices. Ben Davies stayed behind to train in order to get fit, take a leaf out of his book. If the manager has doubts about your mentality and work ethic and then at a time where you’ve got an amazing opportunity to show you’re willing to put in the work to get a chance in the first team you choose to go off to Dubai for a piss up then what sort of message does that send to your manager?

    The fact we have no strikers and he still isn’t working hard enough tells you all need to know at the moment. There’s a golden opportunity for him to make an impression and he clearly isn’t doing so.

    He’s watching a fellow academy product thrive under the very same manager, look to him for inspiration and start grafting to get similar opportunities.
     
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  14. Blue and White

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    And apparently:
    Dundalk manager Vinny Perth says the club tried to sign Republic of Ireland striker Troy Parrott, 18, on loan from Tottenham in January. (Irish Independent
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    This is the Mourinho blueprint for winning games
    1. The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors.
    2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.
    3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes.
    4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.
    5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.
    6. Whoever has the ball has fear.
    7. Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.
    Unfortunately, Spurs squad is packed with young players, who have a tendency to make mistakes. So, we're not picking a number of them - Foyth, Sessegnon, Parrott, Skipp come instantly to mind (also Sanchez and Tanganga on occasions). The thing about playing them, is that they learn about the game and improve. Sitting on the bench, they rot.

    Personally, I think employing Mourinho to manage a squad that is going to be full of young players is a mistake...an even bigger one when you look at his record with addressing issues with Martial, Pogba and Luke Shaw.

    In all of this, it's worth remembering that nobody at the club thought that Harry Kane was ready to be in the squad in 2014/15, his breakthrough season. He was very strongly encouraged to go out on loan but decided to back himself above those who we pay to know better......just a thought.
     
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  16. Citizen Kane.

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    I'd say most of the glaring errors this season have been made by 'senior' players; Aurier, Rose, Toby, Jan, Dier, Son being top of that list. By quite a distance.
     
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  17. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Actually, to be really fair, the youngsters like Foyth, Skipp, Parrott and Sessegnon aren't getting on the pitch enough to make mistakes and learn....which was my point.

    The fact that those being picked ahead of them are playing dreadfully just makes the whole thing even more ridiculous.
     
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  18. The Huddlefro

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    I doubt Poch would disagree with points 1-4 of the blueprint tbh, hence the pressing, and the inevitable cluelessness when we boxed teams in and couldn’t play through them. We were always more dangerous in transition under Poch, especially in the early years before he really sorted Dembele out. Liverpool are more dangerous without the ball as well.

    I don’t know anything verifiable about what’s going on behind the scenes with Parrott but the comparisons to Kane fall down when you consider that Harry is a model pro. When it comes to the youngster’s attitude I guess you can ask what comes first - a poor attitude or not being given a chance in the team. For what it’s worth I’ve been all for him getting minutes all season and especially now given our injuries but if something bad is going on behind the scenes then that might explain why he’s not getting the chances that JT has had so far.

    I also agree of course that more generally, young players need to play, but enough has been written by other posters on the shortcomings of our current youth policy despite having a very promising crop of youngsters.
     
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  19. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    My Kane/Parrott comments are ONLY to show that Mourinho's belief that Parrott isn't ready, isn't infallible or the last word on the subject. Kane wasn't supposed to be ready but when given a chance, he proved that he was. A bit of luck in that our other strikers were poor, added to a bit more luck with that free kick at Villa and he was off and running.

    Some players look the nuts in training, some don't. Benny Assou-Ekotto would have been out of the door under Mourinho but for Harry, he was blinding. There's all sorts in the game, not being Kane doesn't mean Parrott can't be a very useful player for us, RIGHT NOW.

    Mourinho didn't think that de Bruyne or Salah were ready either. He's not infallible as the failure to resolve issues with Pogba, Martial and Luke Shaw indicates. Unlike Chelsea and United, we can't afford for him to make many mistakes.
     
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  20. Citizen Kane.

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    ...added to the fact that already had over 60 appearances and 16 goals under his belt in competitive games at Championship and PL levels before emerging under Interim and Poch. Troy has two. Plus one in a meaningless game for Ireland. There is no comparison between the two. But by the same token, if our intention was not to play Parrott, he should have been loaned out last month.
     
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