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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Bwood_Ranger

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    Brown is widely regarded to have handled it very well.

    I’m sure they wasted plenty. The Tories were more pro-Iraq intervention than Labour at the time IIRC.

    I’ll pretend that article isn’t Mail propaganda. It mostly seems to criticise Labour for spending money on things it had no choice on. You don’t have to use facts and figures for your argument if you don’t want to but it might make your points look more credible.
     
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  4. Bwood_Ranger

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    Sounds like it is needed quite badly.
     
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    Brown is widely regarded as many things.
    Anyway, as you say "I’m sure they wasted plenty". Well even you will know that if you waste money it will cause problems further down the line... which it did.
    The reason we went to war and MP's voted was because of the information given to them by none other than Tony Blair! who by the way mislead them. So you cant blame the Tories for being more pro-intervention as they 'acted on the information given'.
    I don't need a newspaper to tell me that I watched the debate live.
     
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  6. ELLERS

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    Ireland was used as a pawn in the Brexit negotiations and many on both sides of the argument would agree on that. Once it was used, it will be cast away. Watch this space.
     
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    Supermarket shelves have been emptied in Milan, as residents stockpile food and supplies ahead of a government-enforced #coronavirus quarantine
     
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    Bloody hell I missed the video first time around! So Leo says it is 'unexceptable' for Ireland to pay more money?
    mmm Maybe his words of the UK being a small country have come back to haunt him (again)?
    The EU will tell them what to do anyway. They said a while back that the Irish farmers would be hit the worst after Brexit
     
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    Don't twist my words Ellers - I did not say that ''Tourists won't be allowed to come here''; which you know well enough. What I did say is that there will be some changes from the present situation which make it harder for spontaneous weekend tourists to come to London from neighbouring countries - whether that is in the form of stamping passports, Visas, or making people apply for Visa free status (the last of those is the one which I have seen suggested), all these are likely to prove an obstacle for people just wanting to pop over for the weekend. Particularly for younger people on language learning holidays - already many of these Language schools are relocating to Ireland or Malta. The other problem is a collateral one - if people in the EU get the idea that you want their trade, but they, themselves are not welcome - then they may just give you the proverbial two fingers and take their bodies elsewhere. According to surveys which have been done in several European countries up to 40% are ready to boycott British products, and nearly the same number have said they are less likely to visit the UK as a result. There is absolutely no doubt that tourism in London (and many south coast towns dependent on language students) will take a massive hit as a result of Brexit.
     
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    I really don't know where to start with this one? <yikes>
    Language schools moving out of England and relocating in Malta or Ireland? <doh>
    40% are ready to boycott British products? <doh> (that will help the trade deficit)
    Tourism in London will be hit? <doh>
    Mad Monday.
     
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    I think the reason you don't know where to start is because you cannot refute what I have said Ellers. I have worked for many years in the language teaching industry in Germany and know for a fact that there are now more bookings for language learning holidays in Ireland and Malta, and fewer in the traditional venues such as Brighton or Bournemouth. As for the 40% I am simply quoting surveys which have been done in various EU countries - you may not like the results very much but that does not change their validity. It's probably not so much a boycott as people saying that if the same product, or service, is available from another EU. country then they will go there - which is perfectly justifiable.
     
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    Seriously CH you really need to get out more fella. I was in France last weekend and was shocked by the price hike of petrol and food (not to mention clothes). No wonder they riot every week. For the first time in a long while I noticed Petrol was cheaper here in the UK. The only boycotting that will be going on will be in the EU when they realise it's cheaper here. saying that, you could actually be right because the way it's going the EU will be skint so people won't be able to afford to visit?
    The EU needs to plug its €75 Billion blackhole. I hear the summit was a disaster for the EU with many countries upset because they have to pay more now our 'small country' has left. I am sure Germany will pay the €12 Billion a year after Brexit... sorry I forgot Germany and France have already fallen out over that. <doh>
    As for the language courses, I have to bow to your knowledge... although I seem to remember you posting that city firms would relocate to Frankfurt.... and what happened there?
     
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    Boris hasn’t been seen for getting on towards 2 weeks after a disaster has hit the U.K. and as part of his job is diplomacy is to reassure the people but Corbyn and the sun is the problem (he really shouldn’t have that ****rag by the way). We are well and truly through the looking glass.
     
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    Rather a change of subject here Ellers ! I also do not recall saying anything about banking relocating to Frankfurt - because I am not an expert in banking ! As for tourism - I should add that half of the tourism businesses in London rely on EU nationals for more than half of their workforce (there could be linguistic reasons for this). The tourist industry contibuted 145.9 Billion pounds to the UK economy in 2018, making it one of Britain's most successfull industries - the bringing in of ''Sudden restrictions could destabilise and imperil the industry''. The reason for the quotation marks is that these are not my words but rather the CEO of UKinbound, Joss Croft. What you call 'taking back control of borders', means sudden restrictions on movement - which means people feel less welcome.
     
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    Okay come back in a year and lets see what's happened. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    Possible Italy recession due to coronavirus <yikes>

    Former prime minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi expressed his fear that the coronavirus may cause a recession in Italy.

    He tweeted: “Alongside the health emergency, there is a serious problem for our economic system. The loss of a few decimals of GDP, forecast by all economists, risks canceling the already very low growth and bringing us back into recession.”
     
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    Brexit win.
     
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    I wouldn't refer to many people losing jobs as a win. Italy has been through some tough times. huge youth unemployment and many people struggling.
     
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    This virus is spreading vast. It's particularly worrying that it can be spread by people before any symptoms show. I don't think it's going to discriminate whether countries are in the EU or not.
     
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    Breaking: Harvey Weinstein found guilty of rape
     
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