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Off Topic Saints Not606 Music Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Saints_Alive, Jun 13, 2017.

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Do you want a stickied music thread ?

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  1. TheSecondStain

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    That great Beeb series from the 1990s, Classic Albums, apears to have been revived. Currently I'm watching an episode exploring probably the best 1980's pop/rock album I never bought, which is Tears For Fears - Songs From The Big Chair. Barely a bum track on it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episo...bums-tears-for-fears-songs-from-the-big-chair

    Also, I notice another episode featuring the Bob Marley & the Wailers album, Catch A Fire:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b07ycbrb/classic-albums-the-wailers-catch-a-fire.

    My favourite of these episodes came from the original series when they dissected Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland. Or, as it was originally written down by an acetate making technician, Electric Landlady [no kidding].
     
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    Which is why Kirsty MacColl (bless her - RIP) made an album in 1991 and called it “Electric Landlady” <cool>
    Contained one of my favourite Kirsty tracks ....

     
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  3. Ian Thumwood

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    Dave

    My sentiments are pretty much the same although I am happy to listen to a lot of adventurous music .It is a case of working your way in slowly.
    I have seen McLaughlin at Vienne and am a bit ambivalent about him. The technical level of his playing is incredible but he sometimes leaves me cold as a listening experience. There are other guitarists out there such as John Scofield and Bill Frisell who I much prefer.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. Technically challenging music only really makes sense if it can be listened to and enjoyed. Technical genius isn't enough, and surely the whole point of music is to stimulate our emotions and to lead us, or leave us, somewhere that is pleasing.

    This might be a simple form of electric blues, but this track by Willie King just flows through the fog of this world and leaves me feeling that my soul was created for music like this. It isn't technically challenging, just raw emotion and a hauntingly beautiful message .....


     
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    I regularly give thanks that for most of my life this guy was making some of the best music ever, from getting the most out of a minimalist guitar solo...


    ...to organising a bunch of musicians to have fun:


    ..to just being a complete genius:
     
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  6. It's Only A Game

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    Just came across this documentary about the Californian Laurel Canyon scene which a few on here might like. I'm suprised it is on youtube as it was only in the cinema last Summer...

     
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    That’s amazing! Cheers!!
     
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  9. Ian Thumwood

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    Kaito

    This is a really interesting point and I think you might have unintentionally posted something quite controversial. I can see both sides of the argument as I have quite an eclectic taste in music. I share your enthusiasm for the Blues although my preference is for a lot of the early 1920s and 30s acoustic artists. I have some records by electric blues artists like Howlin' Wolf and Linsay Alexander which I enjoy. One of the best ever gigs I have seen was B.B. King, the ultimate musical showman in my opinion. As you say, the blues are ridiculously simple. A lot of the material by someone like Howlin; Wolf is not even as 12 bar blues and is simply spinning off one chord. If is so simple as to almost not be musical yet within these limitations he is able to create something personal and even magical. There is no flash technique yet I cannot put my finger on what it is that actually make it "good.". I have a box set of Charley Patton discs where the music is almost inaudible due to the recording restrictions on circa 1927 and the rudimentary recording equipment of Paramount. If is difficult to hear the guitar and Patton's vocals are often unintelligible. You would be hard pressed to describe what makes it incredible yet it is something ,I would not be without. I think that the "Blues" are unique because there is a magical element that makes this music special which cannot be described. I feel that the Blues also comes with a lot of history and cultural baggage which is impossible to describe. I don't think that the musicians themselves could put their finger on it.

    Conversely, there are things which are very technical that I also enjoy. I love the work of Olivier Messaien who was a classical composer who was influenced by bird song. It is extremely complicated but incredibly powerful too. There is a lot of technical stuff which leaves me cold, however. I don't like any of the Serial / Twelve Tone compositions and in jazz there are people like Anthony Braxton whose music I just don't get. You also come across people like McLaughlin and Oscar Peterson who are technically brilliant yet I find they are a bit uninteresting.
     
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    Top of the league you're having a laugh

    Found a better video see below
     
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  12. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Album tracks or singles? Roxy Music and Angel Eyes, the album track:


    And the single of the same song. Very different:

     
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    Being a fan of the sax i'd go for the single version personally.

    Here's another song with two versions...

    The Soulish version..



    Or the slower stripped down Bluesier version...

     
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    Album version..



    or single version...

     
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    I read on the match thread that Lincs is taking his 7 year old to his first prem match and is hoping he'll be a "good luck charm" so
     
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    I absolutely love that album version. And the slower version is pretty good too. Get Happy!! [the LP] is well tagged with its jauntily angled "20 Great Hits" sticker [I just checked from my copy - the little black mark at the top of the 'i' in 'hits' reads XXLP1]. There isn't a bum track on the album.

    please log in to view this image
     
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    In the top 3 of EC albums for sure and i'm a big fan of his.
     
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    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Recently listened to a "Here's the Thing" interview, with host Alec Baldwin [yeah, the film actor] and Joe Jackson. And it was really interesting. JJ, as many of us know, was born in Pompey, like Charles Dickens and Peter Sellers, amongst others. and two things which JJ said in the interview, which really caught my ear were, 1] he said he wasn't a good singer/vocalist, and 2] he thought that present day music was going through a low point of creativity. Is he wrong or right? Well, here's an example of his first point:


    And here's the Here's the Thing podcast:

    Here's a song mentioned in the interview:


    You might think why I have chopped quickly from Elvis Costello to Joe Jackson. It's because that after Progressive Rock was totally upended by Punt Rock [for me] I searched for something else in music and they came around at approximately the same time for me, and I was still looking in various directions. Jazz was never going to be a mainstream interest for me [my lead guitar playing cousin Rick has an excellent description of jazz musicians which I can never remember to quote but I totally agree with every time he tells me it.], even though I selectively enjoyed it. And while I longed for concept albums which had story and meaning I really discovered Classical for myself and inevitably went through Mozart, Beethoven, through Mahler and a host of others. Back to post progressive and I was hearing The Stranglers, etc. XTC emerged as a post Beatles/Beach Boys home, and Elvis and JJ were amongst others. And so my music education developed... phew!
     
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    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    For audio quality, this is my favourite JJ album. Body and Soul was stunning as a vinyl LP, as it was intended to be so. JJ was saying at the time that analogue audio wasn't finished [for those who think that I only believe that new tech is best], and I 100% agreed at the time and still do in the right circumstances. I played this track to a rambler buddy only yesterday afternoon and he was almost leaping off the chair with his enthusiasm for its creativity and quality. It absolutely explodes out of a great hi-fi system:

     
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    Is there such thing a plagiarism with album covers?


    This is trying to mimic a classic 1960s Blue Note design....
     
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