Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

I had a look on the CAS website which says cases referred to them take between 6-18 months to reach an outcome. Appeals, however, will 'come to an award in 3 months'. The punishment handed out by the relevant governing body will run concurrently with the appeal process. Meaning the ban isn't suspended while the appeal is ongoing.

It remains to be seen whether or not they can come to an award in the 3 month timescale. Surely the nature of the ban would hurry the process along.

 

I think his point is that without a huge injection of cash no team can hope to match the pull of the established big guns.
This is perhaps a de facto truth, but not a de jure restriction, which is why I agreed up to a point.

 

You missed my meaning mate; fifth spot qualifies if English teams were to win both the CL and EL.

If that happens AND Man City are banned, sixth qualify

 

So basically FFP saying you have to live within your means favours those with bigger means? Isn't that just rational? I still say that FFP only applies to the big clubs anyway because it only applies to clubs competing in Europe. I guess every PL club applies for a UEFA license on the off chance they qualify for Europe so in theory they are bound by the rules but in reality sanctions will never be taken against Norwich, for example, if they overspend unless it's on wages when PL rules kick in and even then it's based on a three year period.

The big teams are the big teams because they earned it - with the 2 obvious exceptions which UEFA are now punishing. Do fans of other teams resent the success which has brought wealth with it and just want sugar daddies themselves. I know Libby doesn't but I know some Everton fans who do. It's very hard now that there is such a big gap but isn't the answer for Southampton to build a team that can compete and be successful and keep building,?

 

Yes, and that's the point I felt I was making - though perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
I also said I thought that it's a lot easier said than done.

 

Ah, got you.

This is where things start getting complicated and more complicated as the season progresses ...... team who wins the FA cup is already in the CL etc. etc. We could get down to 8th or 9th all in Europe

 

Yes you did make it clear. Although I quoted your comment I reiterated and questioned in case Libby might like to answer.

I'm not buying that FFP is maintaining the status quo. There's a big gap but clubs can't give up on closing it. You won't win F1 in a go kart but if you keep earning money and putting it towards making your vehicle better year on year then the day will come when you have one good enough to win a race.

 

I like the idea that Southampton are a Go-Kart to our Ferrari.
I'm sure it's a comparison that @Libby will appreciate also.

 

I thought it was pretty apt. Thank you

 

But financial regulations don't just apply to European competitions as you've said yourself. And even if they did then any team who wants to push themselves would probably fail once they've qualified for Europe which again sets them back financially.

There's absolutely no plausible chance of any club outside the current top 6 catching up with any of those clubs on a regular basis. It's not very competitive is it?

You say about us building a team, an example of that is realising that we've got one of the world's best defenders and handing him a 6 year contract. It doesn't prevent a big team/manager illegally tapping him up a mere few months later as we all know...

Ultimately I can see both sides of it, as I said earlier I don't like how City have bought their success, but then why shouldn't a billionaire be able to invest in his local club ala Jack Walker to try and get some success? As long as they're personally guaranteeing it of course.


I actually think what Chelsea have done is worse than City tbh, at least City have pumped loads of money into the infrastructure such as the academy etc. They've also invested a lot in the local area/community I think.

 

We've moved on from Southampton to a much more glamorous girlfriend. RB Leipzig, I was reading about our links to them and one article went as far as stating Nagelsmann is set to take over from Klopp. Some articles state that some of the transfers are proof a a solid relationship that goes deeper than what is known in public. The Minamino one was a bit odd and the loaning back of Keita was also them making things happen between the clubs. May just be coincidence though.

 

In this analogy though Ferrari keep nicking your best parts whenever you get close enough to pose a threat.

You could try increase your spending on these parts to try and temporarily reduce the gap, and make it easier to keep said parts, but the rules don't allow you to regardless whether or not you can guarantee it yourself as the owner.

 

Miss Southampton might not have been that glamorous, but she was never a cheap night out.

 

The Minamino one was a bit odd because he didn't play for RBL

 

Leicester are one who could do it , though they have been heavily bankrolled to the extent they broke the league sustainable finance rules , particularly with the decline in Arsenal .
The objection to personal benefactors is twofold in that
a) excessive spending by one club causes "inflation" for all
b) what happens when the benefactor stops funding as the club would still have the same wage bill but no way of meeting the shortfall in revenue .

 

Well yeah Leicester are the closest but as you point out they were bankrolled in a similar vein to City though obviously on a smaller scale. Is them winning the league a brilliant achievement or should they never have had the opportunity because they cheated their way to promotion?

I agree with point B which why I said about owners guaranteeing it and there's definitely validity in point A too as Chelsea started it off really. Most premier league clubs have been guilty of that at some point or another over the years though.



There's no easy answer.

 

Son Heung-min: Jose Mourinho expects Tottenham forward to miss rest of season
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51547261

 

Good point but it's the link to RB I'm on about y'****er.

 

Even if owners guarantee it their circumstances can change and that would still leave the club in a precarious position .
Anyone else remember Alan Bond