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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by LuisDiazgamechanger, Jul 6, 2018.

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  1. saintKlopp

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    I get it.
    I also see your point of view.
    True, it's not the fault of the players or their manager, and it's harsh on them. However, should a club that has broken the rules to achieve victory, be allowed to retain that victory? That isn't fair on everyone else who has obeyed the rules.
    On the other hand, it would seem hollow to be handed a title under these circumstances, and I don't really think I want it.
    As I've already said, it's a big mess. If City have genuinely and knowingly cheated, fully aware of what they were doing, then they have made a laughing-stock of one of the world's premier sporting competitions and undermined its integrity.
    This requires serious punishment to make sure it doesn't get repeated.
    I wonder whether stripping them of their titles but not awarding them to the runners-up is a compromise solution, but I'm sure plenty would be against that.
    Again, it's a right cock-up, and I don't know what the best solution is.
    This is an ongoing problem with some rich people (I don't want to say all) - that they think that the rules don't apply to them and they can buy whatever they desire. Because in most cases they can, and that becomes a habit.
    Football has had its share of corruption scandals in the past, and it needs to show itself as being fair and transparent now.
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

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    It would seem hollow getting a title by default. If it was an Olympic medal there would be no qualms giving it to the runner up who didn't cheat but this is different. Is there a precedent?

    It remains to be seen what UEFA and the PL will do but I hope it's a good enough punishment to stop other clubs from employing less than honest practices like Everton and Wolves have done/are doing. 'Cheating' isn't the answer in trying to keep up with the established top teams.
     
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  3. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

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    They’re cheating sh*tbags so everything they won should be stripped from them. Even the titles after 2016 were only achievable because of the cheating. Take everything off them. Wipe it from the record books. How else do you deter cheats?
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

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    There are people who will cheat if they think they will get away with it. Clearly something dodgy has happened and whoever was involved thought they could get away with it.

    The PL doesn't help itself by seemingly not doing proper due diligence on perspective owners and then following up by keeping a check on how they are financing their clubs. How can someone sponsoring a training ground (that the club - Everton - don't even own) at £12m a year pass the test of what is an acceptable way of 'earning' income. And that's a relatively small amount when you look at what city have allegedly done.
     
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  5. LuisDiazgamechanger

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  6. Zanjinho

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    I agree but from Gerrard's perspective, it's a medal he desperately wanted and something that probably weighs heavy on him that he didn't win one. Not to mention the amount of **** he gets about it too.
     
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  7. LuisDiazgamechanger

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  8. Klopp's Mannschaft

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    I'd agree with what Kenny Klopp said; strip them of everything post cheating. Even recent successes have been build on a foundation of squad building, reputation and trophies from the cheating era.

    Around 1.5 billion on transfers since 2008, more than that again on wages in the same period. Lets just say 3billion gone to buy a squad able to compete and dominate the league (60million on the PL player of the season to sit on the bench for example) isn't fair by anyone's standards. Infact, the money that's been spent can't even be matched by Real Madrid - by far the richest and most profitable club in the world - who are who having to sell players to balance their books. So how do City manage it other than dodgy sponsorships and inflating the books?

    In some ways, I accept the argument that FFP is poorly implemented and keeps the top clubs at the top whilst preventing the smaller clubs from catching up which is the antithesis of fair play. But then I also agree that clubs should only be able to spend what they earn (they are businesses afterall) with perhaps a slight percentage extra from owners to speed things along. But what City, PSG and Chelsea before them have done is obscene. Football shouldn't just be about who's owner has the deepest pockets, there needs to be a level of balance/parity so that clubs can catch up eventually or so that clubs can experience falls when poor business decisions are made. What's fairer; top clubs staying at the top whilst smaller clubs have to work their way up like others before them, or a lottery for which club a mega oil tycoon buys next to sink all before them? Could just as easily have been Newcastle or Leeds rather than City.

    In recent years, Leicester, Sheff United, Wolves and of course Liverpool have clawed their way up (you could argue that Liverpool had a good platform to jump from) and those teams have my respect far more than City or Chelsea ever will. It's damn hard work, but it is possible with the right leaders and it's brilliant for the league. The hard part is keeping hold of those players and convincing them to stay longer. Then the top clubs can easily slip up and fall down a peg or two through change - United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea have all had lulls in the last decade.
     
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  9. johnsonsbaby

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    I agree with most of that except for Wolves, they are guilty of shady practices and haven't done it the hard way.

    FFP Is trying to make things better but it's difficult trying to level the playing field when it's already so uneven. Successful clubs will always earn more money than the rest so will have more to invest. I don't want the situation to be if you can't beat them, join them in terms of dodgy deals and practices but the situation as it stands makes it almost impossible for other clubs to break into the elite group.
     
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  10. astro

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    Zero sympathy for Man City, hope they get absolutely destroyed by UEFA and the PL

    They've openly admitted they broke all the rules and faked their books but say they're willing to spend tens of millions on lawyers to get them off on any technicality they can find

    Their attitude is let us break the rules or we'll turn our money against you too

    They need to be defeated or civilisation itself it at risk, not just football
     
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  11. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

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    Bring back the guillotine <ok>
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    There needs to be a lot more transparency in sponsorship deals and player transfers. There should also be some form of agent regulation that stops the buying and selling of players being a business on its own. Agents are getting money that, in some cases, small selling clubs should have and it's all done by disguising the third party ownership rules which are now banned.

    Will be interesting to see what CAS make of city's ban. As I understand it they won't concentrate on the ins and outs of the financials so much as the fact they were deliberately misleading UEFA.
     
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  13. saintKlopp

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    As much as I agree, you do realise we are are one of the biggest payers when it comes to agents fees don't you?
     
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    I do know that and I don't like it. I didn't like us having a betting company as a sponsor either. Some things go beyond partisanship and they are two of them.

    I only recently became aware that Fabinho's agent is Mendes and I don't like that either. Mendes is one of those ruining the game for his own personal gain.
     
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    UEFA/FIFA need to stop the obscene amount of money being made by agents. An agent cap would be good, with a fixed % fee for the club to pay based on player value and another small % to be paid to the appropriate FA solely for grass roots development. Right now you effectively have ‘super agents’ dictating the game and taking money out of football.

    obviously fir this to happen, FIFA/UEFA would have to stop taking back handers so doubt it’ll ever happen.
     
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    Leicester did not
    Leicester massively overspent when they were in the championship - they should never have been allowed to be promoted

    When we were in our pomp we over paid players
    Utd same

    I think there is a lot of jealousy and hypocrisy in this atm

    I understand they have broke the rules but maybe the rule is there to protect the ‘big’ clubs and is therefore a bit out of touch
    What Real Madrid have gotten away with for decades is way worse then anything city have done

    Think I said this the other day fine and CL ban is pretty much spot on for me
    Would also add transfer ban then start again
     
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  18. THE FOOL

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    I'll start by saying I like var, but if it's not going to bother changing obvious errors by the ref what exactly is the point if it. William didn't dive, obvious freekick
     
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    Man Utd take the lead after Anthony Taylor of Greater Manchester refuses to send off Maguire for a #nailedon red card even #bbcsalford were questioning
     
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    It was nasty, not sure the ref seen it, but everyone else did. Very snarky
     
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