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The var thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Libby, Aug 6, 2019.

  1. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    Someone was talking on the radio earlier, and mentioned using feet instead of shoulder might improve things?

    If feet are level, then there is no advantage gained, as the player technically isn't leaving early? It does make sense to me, the shoulder thing is stupid at full sprint
     
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  2. It's Only A Game

    It's Only A Game Well-Known Member

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    I hate people who leave early
     
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  3. MorgansBitOnTheSchneid

    MorgansBitOnTheSchneid Well-Known Member

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    I still agree with Souness as much as I hate to that if any part of the body is onside then that's the way to go rather than any part being offside.
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Can't agree with that...one back foot onside could mean quite an advantage if close to goal.
     
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  5. Paddy Podped

    Paddy Podped Well-Known Member

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    Plus any rule like that will still end up with the millimetres one way or another decision unfortunately. Strikers will just start half a yard further forward than before
     
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  6. Libby

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    Exactly, it's just moving the boundary.

    I'd just apply clear and obvious for offsides as well, bin the lines across the pitch rubbish and just use the naked eye. No more than two replays and if it's not obvious either way then stick with the onfield decision. This also means it would never take longer than 30 seconds.

    VAR is supposed to be for clear errors, not to spend 2-3 minutes trying to analyse something to perfection for an incident that wouldn't have even had a second look in previous years.
     
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  7. saintkitch

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    Can't believe off sides are still being discussed. Surely it doesn't matter how they come to the decision offside is offside. Until the rule is adjusted then VAR is doing exactly what it is supposed to do with off sides. Clear and obvious errors is not related to offside as offside can be proven one way or the other.

    This is getting as bad as people moaning about Brexit.

    Having said that I do agree that some of the decisions have been hard to take but I believe that VAR has been 99% correct regarding this so is almost working perfectly.
     
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  8. Libby

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    Not according to IFAB, they say that clear and obvious should apply to all uses of var.



    "Clear and obvious still remains - it's an important principle. There should not be a lot of time spent to find something marginal," Lukas Brud, Ifab’s general secretary, told the Press Association.

    "If something is not clear on the first sight, then it's not obvious and it shouldn't be considered. Looking at one camera angle is one thing but looking at 15, trying to find something that was potentially not even there, this was not the idea of the VAR principle. It should be clear and obvious."
     
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  9. saintkitch

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    I didn't realise that I thought clear and obvious wasn't related to matters of fact.

    I still think that a little time needs to be taken i would much rather the correct decision was made rather than rushing and getting the decision wrong twice. I think VAR could work amazingly well, the rules of the game maybe need updating to accommodate it but VAR has defiantly improved decision making and it will only get better.
     
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  10. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for the team captains to do a game of rock, paper, scissors to settle it.
     
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  11. saintkitch

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    I'd be more inclined for it to be settled with a best of 3 thumb war.
     
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  12. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Have to throw in Lizard, Spock though.
     
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  13. Libby

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    Refs gonna start using pitch side monitors for red card decisions.
     
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  14. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this - VAR is there to question it, but the ref has to ref and make the decision himself IMO.
     
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    So, 2nd yellows and straight reds then. That only partially solves the problem.
    Nothing is straight forward with var.
     
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  16. tomw24

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    No, just straight reds. 2nd yellows are not reviewable.
     
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  17. Libby

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    Not a foul apparently.
     
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  18. st_brendy

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    So not only was that not a clear and obvious error, but it was surely a previous phase of play? Utd got the ball afterwards, but gave it straight away again.

    I don't get that VAR decision at all.
     
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  19. shoot_spiderman

    shoot_spiderman Power to the People

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    I think Ralph hit the nail on the haed with one of the VAR problems

    "Taking decisions outside the ground is not what we want"

    The ref should make the decision and if he wants it checked, then ask VAR to check it for a CLEAR and OBVIOUS error
    VAR is currently making decisions independently of the refs original decision and invoking it's own reviews when he hasn't requested it

    Also, if he has given onside and it's CLEARLY offside, fine, but by a gnats whisker, then the decision should rest

    We are all told to respect the ref and yet VAR treats him like a flawed human undermenschen
     
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  20. ----HistoryRepeating----

    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    Spot on spiderman.
     
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