Son's sending off and Kane's injury, NDombele's injury, a couple of VAR decisions thrown in, yes plenty of misfortune there RCL.
In the last 3 games, we've played Brighton, Norwich and Southampton. In the first half of those games, we made them look like Juve, Real Madrid and Barcelona. That's not misfortune. Yes, we've played somewhat better in the second half but if anything, we were fortunate to beat Brighton and got no more than we deserved in the other 2 games. We walk onto the pitch like a team that's already been beaten and it's happening over and over again.
@Spurf Maybe we could move all these posts to How long does he have thread? Its a good debate but it gets lost and then starts up on the next matchday thread
Because both sides of the debate are speculations and dot joining. Yet your second sentence was a tad patronising at a post condemning ENIC Of course, you're entitled to your opinion but to suggest that any criticism of ENIC is on a par with fairytales is absolutely bonkers on your part and totally one eyed
I'm under no illusions that there are problems but there are some really good players at this club. If some players aren't performing, then perhaps the manager shouldn't keep picking them? If Mourinho continues to think that giving Aurier a licence to do whatever he feels like, is a good idea, he really isn't a top manager. Equally Dier isn't fit. Eriksen doesn't give a **** and yet, they're in the team as regulars. Dele's uplift has nose dived...so kick his arse again or bench him. We can't defend to save our lives and yesterday he left Sanchez out and played 2 proper defenders. That's not top management...it's delusional nonsense and he needs to pack it in and get on with sorting the mess out, not making himself look stupid arguing with the Southampton bench.
I agree Brian. But you are understandably speaking from the perspective of a fan. I'm trying to see things through the eyes of everyone in our squad who doesn't answer to the name Kane or Son. After every one of the near misses you've mentioned and plenty more, do you think the likes of Rose, Jan, Eriksen, Toby etc. look at themselves and think "I am the reason or at least part of the reason we keep screwing up"? Of course they don't. Fans do, because it isn't our ego on the line. They stand there thinking "If I was with a different team, I wouldn't be feeling this bitter disappointment every single year". You think that's far-fetched? Who was Trippier - one of our weakest players - blaming for his many cock ups last season? Anyone but himself. He is human like us, and therefore like us it is always someone else's fault. Only after he gets a nicer than anticipated move to a huge club does he suddenly have the humility to admit that he had a poor season...yet still palmed half the apology off on carrying an injury. So i stand by my point and I have been making it since the summer. We are done with the players, they were done with Poch and the club, and he was done with them. In a respectful but at the same time dangerously resentful atmosphere. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to learn that Jan was unpersoned at the beginning of the season because he went into Poch's office as one of the most senior members of the squad and said something along the lines of "this hasn't worked for 5 years, I beg you on behalf of the squad and on behalf of the career I've sacrificed for this club to try a new approach.", and yet the rumours doing the rounds were that he'd shagged Eriksen's missus. So much so that the players themselves actually had to reject the rumour! I mean, which is more believable? From a fan's perspective, anything to avoid actually admitting that a player(s) who we love and adore is sick and tired of the club we love and adore will sound like a plausible explanation and we will Tweet about it until it starts to take on a truth of its own. But from a player's perspective...all I'm doing is tracing back through the clues. All the way back to Walker leaving and the thoughts seeing him leave planted in the minds of a group of human beings.
Blaming ENIC for everything going wrong on the pitch right down to team selection is the Spurs equivalent of one of those clueless berks from Scunthorpe blaming the EU for nine years of Tory austerity
Hopefully all the posts about our manager etc will get pulled over to the other thread. On the match and Paul's comment: The ball is in play on average about 50 something minutes. We had 60% possession. So for the 30 minutes that we had possession, we were fouled at least 21 times. How on earth could we be expected to play any decent football? Not only does it disrupt the play when you do have the ball, it also puts the fear into you that you are about to be fouled and you are forced to play the wrong ball or make a bad pass. ( BTW spurs got 4 yellows for 8 fouls according to BBC stats ). It all contributes to not playing well
Continuing on my above post, I found this stat from last season which , I, at least, found interesting.: The average number of fouls per fixture varies between 20.9 in the Premier League and 27.0 in the Liga. This strong gap partially reflects the existence of different styles of refereeing. In the remaining leagues, these values are 24.0 in Bundesliga, 26.4 in Ligue 1 and 26.6 in Serie A. So Southampton on their own committed more than the average expected for both teams.
I don't impart thoughts on behalf of players, as most of them are probably too busy thinking about their next shag, watch, car, etc. As well as saying that there was something toxic at the club, he also said that he wanted to stay (he said it before he left)... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...g-life-spain-eager-put-car-crash-last-season/ Jan Vertonghen's long said that he wanted to stay, too. I can't vouch for its authenticity but there's been a long circulated rumour that Toby's problem was more with Mauricio Pochettino than the club and he'd definitely have got a similar amount in wages if he'd gone to Italy. So, I'm not sure that level of discontent exists. For all the fact that we're playing ****, the players are still putting in effort util the end. We're finishing stronger than we start and that doesn't smack of players who want out. The problem is the team's unbalanced and we're getting opened up. Fix that and we can start to move forward. The only players who don't want to stay are Eriksen and Rose. They've said as much, yet until Rose's recent discard, we've continued to pick them. What the **** was Eriksen doing starting ahead of Lo Celso, yesterday?
Eriksen is a million times better than Lo Celso even if he’s out of form and wants out. Lo Celso is pants and I don’t see how anyone can have a different view of him than that. Rose was playing out of necessity because Ben Davies was injured This window the outgoings need to happen ASAP so the club can look at bringing in 4-5 good players in the summer when hopefully Jose Mourinho is gone and Spurs have a proper manager again.
Apologies for my part in derailing the match day thread. Especially foolish considering only last night I thanked RCL for setting up a separate thread for the broader discussions we're now having @PleaseNotPoll can we please migrate the posts about the club in general over to the RCL thread?
We agree on this.....but only this. Lo Celso will be a great player for us (if we allow him to adjust to the PL) and he's not ducking physical challenges because he wants to leave, like someone else. Yesterday, in the first half, I saw Vertonghen charge 20 yards to cover ground that Eriksen allowed Ings, because he didn't want to disturb what's left of his hair by heading the ball. It's ****ing ridiculous picking him as a deeper lying midfielder, he ain't one. Also, Lo Celso has the miraculous ability to beat the first man from dead ball situations... Vertonghen and Sessegnon (despite having issues) were and still are better options than Rose 2019. I'm better than that twat and I'm nearly twice his age These players have left already, mentally....starting them is asking for trouble....and we're getting it.
I agree. it’s far too early to just be writing Lo Celso off. He’s barely had a chance to play and acclimatise himself to a different country, different league, and a whole new set of different teammates. Eriksen seems to turn up when he feels like it. Which ain’t that often and certainly wasn’t yesterday!
Happy new year I have not made any such suggestion Read the sentence I suggest that Ck s argument may or may not be true but it is a well made argument Whats wrong with that? No need to put words in my mouth Spurlock
Happy New Year mate ‘Wether true or not or even remotely true, is another question’ Do you think our transfer policy is a bit suspect and weak for a club that’s trying to win the league? You don’t think Levy has mismanaged the progress of the end of the 5 year plan? I know you have often said you watch the game to enjoy it or words to that affect...I respect that, I doo too btw but still when all the Romancing is done it’s about what happens on the green stuff and how an owner approaches that aspect of our club. I’m intrigued to know why Levy is beyond criticism and I believe you are pro Levy all the way which is perfectly fine but I’m intrigued to know why he is not being questioned for what’s happening on the grass?
I’m also intersted to know why Mourinho is getting the heat he is considering he has managed less games than Poch this season for a start. If that was any other manager many that are choking Mourinho would be reminding us about how the new man didn’t have a pre season and needs about 2 windows before being judged yet it’s ok for Jose to get hung having managed less games than Poch this season?
Because Jose came in and said he didn’t need any new players and I’m sure he promised the club he could get top 4 this season Early days or not, he’s not shown any improvement at all, even the games we’ve won have been lucky and the team has been outplayed (except Burnley)
