This is brilliant. You now pass your time moaning about something that will have very little effect on you.
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This is brilliant. You now pass your time moaning about something that will have very little effect on you.
But it does, on family and friends in England particularly those that want to make use of freedom of movement for work or education. Those that endorse Boris and/or exit are free to wallow in whatever **** awaits them.
There is no doubt that some people do abuse the system but you can't judge people on benefits based on how the minority behave. Yes the benefit system, just like everything else is open to abuse. It's just a different form of theft but it gives those who are looking for an excuse to point the finger at benefit claimants all the ammunition they need. However, benefit fraud is financially microscopic in comparison to tax evasion and tax fraud by corporations and big business.
This thread is not a waste of oxygen. People do have differing views and although you might not agree with much that I believe, all of us are facing huge issues with the predicted environmental disasters we seem to be heading for. Just because people voice their opinions on here it doesn't mean they are not also doing that elsewhere as well.
COP25 just ended with the typical waste of an opportunity to bring about any change. The useless ****ers couldn't even agree on a 'form of words' to make progress that will move the discussions forward. If that is where they are at, then we probably are up **** creek without a paddle regarding the environment.
I'll look forward to meeting up with you in a cave somewhere if either of us survive.
Sounds sounds to me like you subscribe to the "I'm alright Jack" syndrome perpetuated by Thatcherism. I can read into the profile of several subscribers on here that they appear relatively well off similar to me but they support others less fortunate than themselves. I voted Remain and Labour because I am sympathetic to today's younger generation who will have limited opportunities due to a decade of Tory austerity. I'm relatively comfortably off but my parents raised me as a socialist to try support that national wealth is shared throughout society and not secreted off-shore by a select few....the mantra "for the many not the few" was pretty well bang on in my view.
Hang on just a cotton picking minute! There's a few of us who didn't vote Tory, but are just pleased that the deadlock that has dragged the country down, and separated the people so badly, might just come to an end. If people start knuckling down and doing their jobs properly, there's still hope. I've not given up on Britain, and I hope others haven't as well. Moaning will not help us now, we need solutions, no reminders of the problems that have been.
I think a lot of us fear that the 'end' of Brexit is just the beginning... of more Brexit. This has a huge lifespan and potentially huge negative impacts. We still have not had one straight up politician answer directly the questions on benefits and problems ens. I am not sure where the government intends to get the huge amount of money the imf suggests we are about to lose.
Do they have a magic money tree?
I'm with you there Milts
saintkitch said↑
This is brilliant. You now pass your time moaning about something that will have very little effect on you.
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But it does, on family and friends in England particularly those that want to make use of freedom of movement for work or education.
Those that endorse Boris and/or exit are free to wallow in whatever **** awaits them.
I have two teenage daughters. I'm scared. But we have to believe. It's that or give up. There is not another choice, or vote.
I voted remain. I voted against Tory.
However, as @----HistoryRepeating---- (god that was hard to tag you...all those ----
) said, I am just glad we are out of a stalemate now. I didn't want it to be this way and I am 99% sure it will go tits up, but (for now) I am going to remain (see what I did there!) open minded and see where this goes. I have yet to see any academic say that Brexit is a good thing, but hey ho, we'll see.
I haven't given up on Britain, but I'm in a reasonable and fortunate position and have options (not saying I'm alright jack), so I can stand back and see what happens. I did all I can. That is all we can do.
To quote a man I despise, "Let's get Brexit done" and move on and try to get back to where we were before Cameron started this stupid debacle.
However, as @----HistoryRepeating---- (god that was hard to tag you...all those ----
) said, I am just glad we are out of a stalemate now. I didn't want it to be this way and I am 99% sure it will go tits up, but (for now) I am going to remain (see what I did there!) open minded and see where this goes. I have yet to see any academic say that Brexit is a good thing, but hey ho, we'll see.I haven't given up on Britain, but I'm in a reasonable and fortunate position and have options (not saying I'm alright jack), so I can stand back and see what happens. I did all I can. That is all we can do.
To quote a man I despise, "Let's get Brexit done" and move on and try to get back to where we were before Cameron started this stupid debacle.
The trouble with getting Brexit done is that, as the Japanese Emperor observed post Hiroshima things won't necessarily turn out to our advantage. If they are determined to sort Brexit in 2020 it's going to be a No Deal.
Agreed, but there is nothing more we can do. Trust me, I have fallen out with tons of family, friends etc over this, but I am out of actions. There has been a democratic vote and it has now put us where we are. Not having a go, but life is too short to keep worrying about it. Let's get on with it and maybe (i doubt it), it may pan out.
Out of adversity comes opportunity.
EDIT: Just read this back. I am not having a go, I am as pissed off as the (most) rest of us, but I suppose I am trying to put my positive spin on it. Maybe I should have been a politician or in PR.
I didn't take it as having a go. My wife and myself have fallen out with my brother and his wife over Brexit. He is 77 and I doubt we will speak again. I have no intention of letting this heal, it's just too big a deal for that. Quite honestly if someone popped off Pfeffel tonight I would dance in the street. I do hope that doesn't sound harsh. Katya Adler on the BBC just put it in perspective. Effectively what she said was if you are celebrating the election and thinking Brexit is now done then think again. The EU are going to play hard ball, basically were ****ed.
sorry, I’m not ready for acceptance for something I think will be so bad.
First time I've been tagged!
For a reason!
I found that out the other day too when I tried tagging you for a ****ty stats update
Not sure whether that annoys me more than the non quoting thing or not.
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