Off Topic Politics Thread

An element of truth in that, certainly. But nah, my countrymen and neighbours are not, by and large, hateful dickbags.

Brexit has certainly empowered some very unpleasant elements; but I’m not surrounded by white supremacists, and I don’t think there are many of them in Parliament either.

 

No, we’re not ****ed, and we can’t afford to think we are. Most people are essentially decent, even if many are misguided and misled.

 

People said that a vote for Corbyn would take us back to the Britain of the 1970s but what they didn't realise is that voting for Johnson has taken us back to 1930s Germany.

 

New Zealand is another exception. If I was a senior member of the Labour party, I would try to entice the present PM there to come to the UK once she has run her course in NZ to become leader of the UK party and ultimately UK PM!

 

The more I think about that the more I think Jess Phillips is the one we need.

 

I don't know much about him (should have researched a bit before posting) but Jarvis presents a decent profile and the type of image which, regrettably, is essential in modern politics.

 

Makes a change from you finding Spanish politicians

 

Corbyn is right about one thing; the Labour Party needs a period of reflection before rushing to choose a new leader. We have to get this next appointment right, so my advice to anyone jostling for position, or claiming to know exactly what went wrong and what needs to be done to put it right, is, for now, stfu and sit down.

 

I had thought that the threat of a no deal brexit was still looming for the end of next year. I hadn’t realised that I had the deadline wrong and that the UK needs to decide by the end of June whether to extend the period of transition to get those deals in place. Johnson won’t do that, so in fact we have less than 5 months to get this sorted.

Fecking hell

 

I don't see why we should restrict ourselves to politicians from this century. Benjamin Disraeli is the sort of One Nation Conservative to save the Tories from their lurch to the right.

 

And that’s honestly the real reason Labour keeps losing.

There’s an attitude that somehow people have just been duped into voting for some horrible people and all that is required is to talk some sense into them.

It’s strategically disastrous as it underestimates the opposition. And politically foolish as well as these people are screaming as loud as they can how serious they are about this and it’s very patronizing to be told they are just ping through a silly phase.

 

Only for the Conservatives!

 

And there are idiots Out there who want that

 

Imagine PMQs.. He wouldn't cope at all! Not only a woman who would stand up to him but would make weekly headlines as he struggled for words and she remained articulate..

 

Or his he just trying to get the hardliners onside to appease them, and will créate some sort of loophole to avoid this disaster? After all, Johsnon is a well.renowned person who does reverse decisions.

 

Gove looking like a flummoxed codfish on the BBC and saying they won't extend the deadline for Brexit. Make no mistake this is for EU consumption. They really think that it will get them a better deal but I doubt it will work. My feelings now are that I hope that they push on regardless and own the disaster that is Brexit.

 

We certainly aren't immune, but right now regional divides are still winning out over demographic cleavages, and we might have a bit of an ingrained advantage...whereas in the US and UK, appealing to the worst of the white working class has a structural electoral advantage, in Canada it's very hard to take an election without i) the major city suburbs, which aren't particularly white, or ii) Quebec, and while Quebec has a serious undercurrent of xenophobic ethnonationalism going on, they currently hate the Anglo xenophobic ethnonationalists almost as much as they do the foreigners. It's definitely bubbling under the surface, though; our Conservative Party came within a hair's breadth (or a misunderstanding of their own rules, depending on who you ask) from selecting as leader someone who then quit the party to be the Canadian Nigel Farage, only somehow less competent.

And while Ides is borrowing foreign politicians, Chrystia Freeland would make a good Labour leader. She probably ought to be our PM -- Trudeau's decent enough, she's significantly savvier -- but we could loan her out come the next UK election.

 

They're going to have to own it eventually. Brexit is the Conservative party's gift to the nation. There really isn't anyone else they can blame when their bunch of roses turns out to be a bucket of ****.

 

Sadly, it is “us” who will own that disaster

 

No, we’ll just pay for it. Or rather, our children and grandchildren will