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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    'She cannot make up sh** about me': Emily Thornberry says she WILL sue Caroline Flint for claiming she branded northern Brexit voters 'stupid' as Labour implodes over election defeat
    • Labour in total meltdown after being put to the sword by Tories in the election
    • Jeremy Corbyn branded 'in denial' for claim hard-Left plans were not to blame
    • Caroline Flint accused Emily Thornberry of saying Leave voters were 'stupid'
    • Ex-minister warned that the next leader cannot be 'Corbyn without a beard'
    • But furious Mrs Thornberry denied the claim by Ms Flint as a 'total and utter lie'
    • Ex-MP Ms Flint today stood by the comments she made about Ms Thornberry
    By James Tapsfield, Mailonline Political Editor and Jack Maidment, Deputy Political Editor For Mailonline
    Published: 20:41 AEDT, 16 December 2019 | Updated: 03:38 AEDT, 17 December 2019
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    Emily Thornberry acccused Caroline Flint of 'making up sh**' about her today as she furiously denied branding northern Brexit voters 'stupid'.
    The shadow foreign secretary insisted it was 'simply untrue' that she had made the comments Ms Flint claimed and she had 'no choice' but to call in lawyers.
    The escalation came after the former minister stood by her allegation that Mrs Thornberry delivered the dismissive jibe to a colleague.
    However, Ms Flint declined to set out when the alleged comments were made or to who, citing legal concerns.
    Ms Flint told Piers Morgan on ITV's Good Morning Britain: 'I stand by my comments yesterday but I don't want to comment any further because there may be legal proceedings but I said what I said and I stand by them.'
    Mrs Thornberry said in a clip broadcast on Sky News and the BBC today: 'I've contacted her and I've said to her, please withdraw, I'll give you until the end of the day. And she hasn't. So I've had to go to solicitors.
    'People can slag me off, as long as it's true, I can take it on the chin. But they can't make up s*** about me - and if they do, I have to take it to the courts.'
    Ms Thornberry sparked a storm in 2014 during a by-election after tweeting a picture of a terrace home in Rochester with three England flags and a white van parked in the drive, prompting accusations of snobbery which saw her resign from the shadow cabinet.
    The bitter spat between Ms Flint and Ms Thornberry came as senior figures raged that Jeremy Corbyn is 'in denial' for arguing that his leadership and his hard-Left platform was not to blame for Labour's worst performance at the ballot box since the 1930s.
    Instead he said media attacks and Brexit were responsible for the rout and 80-strong Tory majority.
    In a brutal verdict on her former colleagues Ms Flint - who was ousted from her Don Valley seat by the Tories - had warned yesterday that the next leader must not be 'Corbyn without a beard'.
    'You can't make up s**t about me': Thornberry on Flint's comments
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    The ex-minister insisted no-one who had a hand in the party's muddled Brexit policy, which called for a renegotiation of the divorce deal followed by a second referendum in which Mr Corbyn would stay neutral, should be in the frame to take charge.
    Naming shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer and Mrs Thornberry, who both represent Remain-backing central London seats, she said: 'Keir Starmer led us to a policy that didn't listen to Leave voices who urged caution.
    'He led us down the path of a second referendum.'
    On Mrs Thornberry, Ms Flint said: 'She said to one of my colleagues, ''I am glad my constituents are not as stupid as yours.''
    'I am sorry, that is not acceptable.'
    However, Mrs Thornberry flatly denied the claim.
    'This is a total and utter lie. I have never said this to anyone, nor anything like it, and I hope needless to say, it is not something I would ever think,' she said.
    She added: 'Whatever out differences inside Labour, we should not sink into that gutter.'
    It is understood Mrs Thornberry is consulting lawyers, with sources close to the Islington MP saying that while Ms Flint was 'very upset' the allegation was 'not acceptable'.
    Ms Flint stood by her comments this morning as she said Labour had lost the election because of Mr Corbyn and the party's Brexit stance.
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    She told GMB: 'In a weird way the 2019 election was almost the election Theresa May wanted in 2017.
    'But I don't think that if we had solved Brexit that alone would have saved us.
    'But when you are fighting on two very difficult fronts I think it was very hard for many of us in the midlands and the north and in parts of Wales to fight back.'
    Ms Flint said 'clearly some of the policies were and are popular' that were contained in Labour's 2019 manifesto.
    But she said ultimately many voters 'didn't really believe how they were going to be delivered or, importantly, paid for'.
    Her comments came as potential leadership candidates have started to gear up for a tilt at the party's top job after Mr Corbyn said he would quit after two successive general election defeats.
    This morning Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, refused to say whether he would run to be leader but he did not rule it out.
    He said: 'This a moment for reflection. We are talking to lots of colleagues. The competition doesn't open until early next year.'
    Rebecca Long-Bailey has emerged as an early favourite, receiving endorsements from shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon and praise from John McDonnell.
    However, Wigan MP Lisa Nandy revealed she is 'seriously thinking about' whether to launch a bid - and could be backed by moderates.
    'I am seriously thinking about it,' she told the BBC's Andre Marr Show. 'The reason I am thinking about it is because we have just had the most shattering defeat, where you really felt in towns like mine, that the earth was shaking.'
    Mr McDonnell apologised for the party's catastrophic election result, saying 'I own this disaster'.
    The shadow chancellor said 'if anyone's to blame, it's me, full stop', but also cited Brexit and the media for having 'demonised' the Labour leader ahead of the dismal defeat.
    'It's on me, let's take it on the chin, I own this disaster so I apologise to all those wonderful Labour MPs who have lost their seats and who worked so hard,' Mr McDonnell told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.
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    Jeremy Corbyn (pictured out for a bike ride in Islington today) has doubled down on his support for Labour's wildly left-wing policies despite the party's spectacular election defeat
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    Wigan MP Lisa Nandy said she was 'seriously thinking about' running for the Labour leadership
    Mr McDonnell predicted the leadership change will take place in eight to 10 weeks, tipping Ms Long-Bailey as having the ability to be 'a brilliant leader'.
    He also praised shadow cabinet ministers Angela Rayner and Dawn Butler.
    But he made clear he 'prefers others' to backbencher Jess Phillips, who has also thrown her hat into the ring. And he dodged saying what he thought of Ms Nandy.
    Corbyn has doubled down on his support for Labour's wildly left-wing policies despite the party's spectacular election defeat.
    The outgoing opposition leader grudgingly shouldered some personal responsibility for the catastrophic collapse in votes, but used two newspaper columns to pin the blame on Brexit and the media.
    Labour suffered its worst performance at the polls since 1935 after Boris Johnson reduced the party's Red Wall of traditionally northern strongholds to rubble.
    While accepting the result was 'desperately disappointing', Mr Corbyn said he was 'proud' of the radical anti-rich and spending spree platform he stood on during the campaign.
    Insisting his tax-hiking government blueprint was popular, he wrote in the Observer: 'I am proud that on austerity, on corporate power, on inequality and on the climate emergency we have won the arguments and rewritten the terms of political debate.
    'But I regret that we did not succeed in converting that into a parliamentary majority for change.'
     
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  2. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Thornburry is an odious champagne socialist and it's exactly the kind of thing I'd expect her to say.
    However, as she's taking Uber's Flint to court, either she didn't say it or she knows Flint can't prove that she did.
     
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    Robert Kimbell #TimeForThePeople‏@Rob_Kimbell 7h7 hours ago
    It appears that Salford and Eccles MP Rebecca Long-Bailey,
    a former solicitor,
    whose vote share fell by -8.5% at #GE2019
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    is the favourite to replace Jeremy Corbyn as Leader of the Labour Party.
    She has been an MP for just four years.
    Her nickname is Rebecca Wrong-Daily.
     
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    I think you will find that members of the Communist Party would have known at the time that their 'endorcement' of Labour would do Labour more harm than good, which is why they did it.
     
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    Or Gloria del piero.
     
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    At the moment the wrong path is being taken in the Labour Party in that they are debating whether Brexit, Corbyn or the manifesto were the reasons behind their failure. These cannot be seen as 3 separate themes. In my opinion the manifesto was good, and it had a lot of support, but the question remains as to whether it was democratically produced as a consensus within the party - or whether it was forced on one half of the party by the other half - if so then all the positives become negatives. Labour obviously needs to re engage with the towns of the north - towns which were once homogeneous industrial working class towns, and realize that the loss of community there has left a massive void, which radicalized politics is filling. Lisa Nandy is right in saying that all forms of patriotism, or pride of place, are seen by many on the left as being only negative - and that the sort of cosmopolitanism which works is Islington or other big cities does not necessarily work in places like Burnley, Oldham or Stoke on Trent - towns which have lost the culture which dominated them for so long. For me the choice of a new leader comes down to Lisa Nandy, Jess Philips or Angela Rainer, with a slight preference for the first. I do not want Corbyn to have any influence whatsoever on the choice - Rebecca Long Bailey comes over as rather devoid of the qualities which a leader should have, besides which I do not believe she would be writing her own speeches.
     
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    You and Uber are entirely incorrect on this. Rayner for me.
     
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    <yikes>
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    Disappointed we’ve lost Faiza Shaheen (sp?).
     
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    See Ubes!!
     
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    Yeah she was okay. Shame it wasn't jezza that lost his seat?
     
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    REALLY !!! He lost because he didn’t stop Brexit in Parliament and didn’t campaign on Remain !!!!!
    F*ck me you still don’t get it do you, he lost because he did exactly that, he frustrated Leave, his ridiculous bloody referendum policy and the fact his f*cking manifesto was the biggest pile of ****e ever published.
     
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    The voice of reason is here.
     
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    You appear to have forgotten that Boris Johnson also frustrated leave by voting against Theresa May's deal - only to come up with a similar deal to hers plus a border in the Irish Sea. So his claim of 'let's get it done' could have actually been done already without his opposition.
     
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    This deal is completely different in many ways if you just believe hard enough in it.
     
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    labour continues to eat itself

    Faiza‏@fzjmmd 9h9 hours ago
    As BAME Officer for London Young Labour,
    I utterly condemn Jess Phillips' overt racism.
    Our movement is broad,
    but there's no space for transphobia,
    anti-blackness,
    or the frankly weird levels of ignorant white feminism and self-obsession she exhibits.
     
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    This is somewhat flawed, but it does suggest that the GE wasn't the resounding pro-Brexit vote that some have claimed.
















    Plus it'll wind Col up.
     
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    You're automatically assuming all Labour voters were remainers, many, particularly in the north, may not have been. But it's totally irrelevant now, you lost, again...<laugh>
     
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